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niceguy
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21/01/2016 3:21 pm  

Yesterday's find at Goodwill
1. Gino Colombini Cestino wastebasket for Kartell (Beylerian) black 4670 (now an even dozen in various colors)
2. Michael Lax fondue pot for Copco Holland
3. Lella Vignelli one quart casserole for Heller
Not bad for a few dollars




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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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21/01/2016 3:58 pm  

Cdsilva: why not re-veneer the seats?


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21/01/2016 5:20 pm  

niceguy, your ongoing Goodwill haul continues to impress. I think a group shot of all of your acquired smalls together would be quite a sight to see.
leif, if I knew anything about re-veneering pieces that large, I might try it. I've read a few threads from some of you woodworkers on DA about large sheet veneering, and it sounds a bit above my pay grade. And although I haven't yet had the chance to clean the chairs, I did take a closer look at them and think they are the all-oak versions, rather than teak veneer for the outside faces of the seat and backrest. And if a miracle were to happen, and I was able to successfully re-veneer all four seats with white oak, would it not be very difficult to get a visual match to the aged oak veneer of the backrests? On the "go for it" side, since the original plan was to upholster the seats, I suppose a botched re-veneer job would be just as easy to cover up.


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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21/01/2016 5:40 pm  

Applying the veneer with hide glue would probably be the way to go for that sort of job if you do it yourself.
And there are quite a few ways to get the tone of the oak to match. All those tannins make for easy coloring.


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cdsilva
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21/01/2016 6:11 pm  

Oh, also forgot to note that there are six circular veneer/plug caps over the screw connections to the seat rails below (the seats are not easily removable via screws on the underside). I think those holes were cut after the seat was laminated/veneered, with the plugs going in afterwards, followed by a final sanding then oiling.
The chances of me cutting exact holes in the new veneer to perfectly match are zero, so all of those plugs would need to be removed, probably with some damage which would require new plugs. Once again, the chances of me being able to fabricate perfectly sized new plugs to match existing seat holes and new oak veneer holes are very low.
The whole process sounds like it might be fun for a skilled woodworker. I got lucky on the small rosewood veneer repair for the Ditzel desk, but my recent effort to repair blistered veneer on a small Vejle Stole table was a disaster. I don't want my veneer repair record to dip below .500.


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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21/01/2016 9:48 pm  

I think that there is actually a very simple tool that will elevate your chances of making those round veneer plug to 1000:
A veneer punch:
http://www.joewoodworker.com/veneering/dealingwithveneerdefects.htm
http://www.veneersystems.com/index.php/action/category/id/5/subid/22/


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niceguy
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22/01/2016 3:26 am  

cdsilva,
Thank you for your positive thoughts. I the near future I will try to get a photo of all the plastics.
Today it was:
1. The High Style of Dorothy Draper exhibition catalog for Museum of the City of New York
2. Kenny Rogers This Is My Country signed copy
3. Dr. Oetker Original 2137 1.5 L melamine mixing bowl
4. Ingrid Ltd melamine white bowls for Ingrid Chicago (6)
The Dorothy Draper book is a good read and signed Kenny Rogers book is excellent. The Dr. Oetker Original bowl lives with all the Rosti Denmark bowls and the Ingrid bowls...




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22/01/2016 3:51 pm  

A dear friend names his pet chicken's Kenny Rogers. One at a time.
Best,
Aunt Mark
ps Don't forget to feed the birds.


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waffle
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22/01/2016 5:19 pm  

Does he add Roman Numerals for each successive?
Those of you in the NE, bundle up!


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teakhound
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25/01/2016 6:14 am  

cdsilva – Really excited to see what you do with those Wegner chairs. Though I realize it is no skin off my back, I say go for it – drill out those seat plugs, remove the seat bottoms, reveneer them, cut holes in the new veneer for new plugs, and make new plugs. Sounds like a really fun project.
In the meantime, we have picked up some interesting post-modern / contemporary pieces lately:
1) Lofty Chair by Piergiorgio Cazzaniga for MDF Italia
2) sofa by Zanotta, c.1988. (My research suggests that this was designed by Zanotta founder Aurelio Zanotta for his in-house design studio, Emaf Progetti. Can anyone here confirm or refute this attribution?)
Had some fun shooting these today.




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cdsilva
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25/01/2016 6:49 am  

teakhound, I'll probably start a separate CH30 restoration thread soon, but here's a little sneak peak for those of you interested in 1) the joints, and 2) what's behind the plugs. I know there was a thread a few years back that talked about what's behind the "cross" plugs in the CH23 chairs.
The worst veneer damaged chair had loose front leg joints, so I started the regluing effort yesterday. Since the front seat screws/plugs are directly over the front legs, the screws need to be removed before the legs can.




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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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25/01/2016 6:53 am  

So the screw goes into the tenon? (Which makes a very clever locking joint).


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25/01/2016 7:03 am  

Actually, no. The tenon on the side rail is notched at the top (see last photo), so that the leg mortise has a "top". So the screw goes into the end grain of the leg in an area with not much wood bite. Unfortunately for me, the loose leg joint involved something getting loose there, and the screw kept slipping and would not come out. I suppose I should've drilled into the screw and taken it out that way, but I went straight to the rubber mallet and ended getting the leg off with a wood break to that top part of the mortise. I have already glued that piece back in and will need to add some addition splinters to the screw hole to get its grip back.


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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25/01/2016 7:41 am  

That is called a haunched tenon (when it has the side notched out as you say), which doesn't matter much, but...
This is very surprising that it would be designed in this way. The screw was slipping because it was in end grain, and screws do not hold in end grain. The threads cut the fibers in the wood and the screw pulls out with a fraction of its expected strength. Or just spins in the hole because the because it has cut and broken off everything it bit into. This is why wood cross dowels are inserted into stretchers on knock down furniture. The screw looks like it is going into end grain, but it goes through the cross dowel, which provides all of the bite.
But back to your chair, if that screw were moved back just a bit it would both go into the side grain of the tenon, and lock the tenon into the mortise.
It is extremely hard to imagine that Hans Wegner would have designed it with a basic mistake like this, especially given that such an elegant solution is so nearby.
Is there any chance that the seat was put on a bit too far forward? Either later or originally? Or that the plug in the seat was cut too far forward? Or the tenon was cut too short (there would be too much space in the bottom of the mortise). Or that the seat is not original? Or the screw was inserted at the wrong angle?
There is more to this story I am sure of it.


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Reamie
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25/01/2016 3:00 pm  

Just picked up my Hans Brattrud for Hove Møbler armchair! Soooo comfy... Also the confirmation from the grandson of Hove Møbler's founders was an added bonus! Hi Indeed it was. My Grandfather Jacob and his brother Harald HOVE produced this and several other variants of this model. Best regards ELANO AS Anders Brunstad




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