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cdsilva
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01/01/2021 10:06 pm  
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I’m still confused by the statement that the Koppels did not design any furniture of significance.

In any case, I'm not aware of any, except for a few banal items. As shown in the ad.

We can therefore both agree that you are not aware of significant Koppel designs. Auction hammers and gallery asking prices for this butterfly chair indicate that others have a different opinion of Koppel designs and valuations.

On the topic of the chair attribution in the original post, I think there is a good chance it was designed by the Koppels based upon multiple similarities to their known documented designs. Unless vintage documentation surfaces that confirms this, then there will always be doubt. Even if one was found with a Slagelse mark, there is the possibility that it was another designer that used similar design and framing details as the Koppels.

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aaronny
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01/01/2021 10:11 pm  

Auction hammers and galleries? Please, cdsilva, auction houses and galleries are the ones who have no clue at all. How long have you been in business?


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cdsilva
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01/01/2021 10:35 pm  

Long enough to know that the Koppels designed a lot of furniture, are a fairly important part of Danish Modern furniture history, and still command fairly high resale values today.

and I’m not in the “business”. I just enjoy learning about Danish Modern in my free time.

 


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01/01/2021 10:43 pm  

Okay, keep dreaming and have a nice evening, and before I forget, happy new year!


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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02/01/2021 10:48 am  

@aaronny I have absolutely no idea what nonsense you are writing about me.  I can not think of anything I have ever put forward that relies on word of mouth from families and such. I can think of a notable and recent example to the contrary. This is the Clam chair when Herringbone and I corrected the historical record with an actual piece of physical documentation from Arnold Madsen’s family that had falsely attributed the Clam to Arctander based on the mistaken word of an Arctander family friend.  The piece of actual documentation was the photographic print of the clam, cut off its background, that was then later used by Vik & Blindheim in an advertisement for the Clam.  There was plenty of family history from the Madsen and Schubell and later the Hassing families to go along with that critical piece of documentation, but the proof did not rely on any of that. 


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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02/01/2021 10:58 am  

@cdsilva posted another worthwhile not publicly known Koppel design in that Nyt Hjem advertisement.  (Nyt Hjem is not a well known name, but it perhaps should be better known as it was Carl Brørup’s other retail store, in addition to Bovirke, which also sold Finn Juhl furniture). If you look closely you will see a block of wood between the rear legs and the backrest.  The maker of those chairs is uncertain but the maker of the Arne Vodder dining table is Slagelse Møbelværk. (This is another example of a not publicly known design credit in this thread, albeit tangentially related).  

 


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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02/01/2021 11:03 am  

Oh and here is an old advertisement for Unika Væv that has not gotten enough public exposure as to be well known.  It just happens to document the chair I stated was an Eva & Nils Koppel design.  (Again, it is often miscredited to Ib Kofod Larsen, but as we can see that is wrong).  And the chair was made by Slagelse Møbelværk, for whatever that is worth.  

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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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02/01/2021 11:09 am  

And might I point out that Unika Væv made some really nice fabric! It would be wonderful to see a Kofod Larsen / Christensen & Larsen long armed Penguin or this Koppel chair in those fabrics. I would really like to know whether the fabric is a print (or whether the pattern is woven in) and what the story was behind pairing those fabrics with the shapes on these designs. Was it just a happy accident that they went so well or did Kofod Larsen and the Koppels collaborate with Unika Væv? Or did some other designer connect the furniture designs and the fabrics?  


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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02/01/2021 11:20 am  

( @lexi I just looked back at the beginning of this thread and saw that you had already made the observation about the block of wood connecting the rear leg and backrest way before I did.  Sorry I didn’t mean to steal your point.  Oh and thanks for finding that other Koppel chair you posted.  I was not aware of that one). 


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02/01/2021 11:27 am  

@leif-ericson. You are welcome.

Knowledge shared is Knowledge gained


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aaronny
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02/01/2021 11:28 am  

Good morning Leif, as was to be assumed, you both are just plain naive catalog junkies, that's all you know and nothing more.

But that is not forbidden, so a happy new year.


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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02/01/2021 11:39 am  

So before I posted documentation I am misrepresented as frantically searching for unreliable word of mouth stories and after posting documentation I am insulted as a naive catalog junkie.  It is just insults every way with some people. 

To the rest of the people on this forum: this sort of behavior is not normal for around here. It should not be acceptable either. Please do not judge the rest of us based on their misbehavior.  


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02/01/2021 11:59 am  

Aaronny is Austrian, and as we Germans know, you have to be very careful with Austrians. 😎 

Noooo .... sorry to all other Austrians!

So, boys and girls, did you all have a happy new year? Without alcohol poisoning? I hope so.


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02/01/2021 12:57 pm  

I found the website that aaronny probably got the photos from, it's a Japanese dealer and he actually attributes the chair to Hvidt, as I've seen it somewhere and at some point too, but of course that doesn't mean anything. I wrote to the dealer where he got the information from or whether the chair is even labeled.

https://www.swankysystems.jp/a/43043


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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02/01/2021 4:37 pm  

@mvc There is really nothing wrong with Austrians just because they are Austrian. Aaronny has given us plenty of illogical absurd statements to criticize like the pavilion designed by the Koppels in which they didn’t use any of their furniture, therefore they didn’t design any. Or their niece who doesn’t have any Koppel furniture at home, therefore they didn’t design any. Or the Koppels didn’t design anything of importance therefore they designed nothing.  

But now to the point: I can probably guess at where the Hvidt attribution originates.  Swanky will have gotten it from the auctioneer who will have based it on the attribution of this other chair with a T shaped backrest that is sometime attributed to Peter Hvidt for snedkermester Jacob Petersen. The same chair is also sometimes attributed to Acton Bjørn (and Vilhelm Lauritzen) with a possible maker attribution of Willy Beck.  I would be extremely cautious with those attributions. 

And interestingly this same chair can be related to Bovirke sometime in the mid 1950s as this is a photo taken by Finn Monies for Bovirke (I am not sure if it was at the Bovirke store or not) with the chair in front of a Finn Juhl wall system. 

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