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Mid-Centurian
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27/06/2015 9:35 pm  

I recently bought a France & Son table which I've only found two other examples of online,
one attributed to Finn Juhl & the other to Grete Jalk .

Can anyone out there definitively ID this table's designer & possibly have an old catalog
image to back it up ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated .

Thanks !
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Mid-Centurian
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27/06/2015 9:37 pm  

Here are some photos of the F & S badge as well as the embossed stamp .



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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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27/06/2015 11:22 pm  

I can tell you a bit about it. It is the "companion" table to the Great Dane groups. And the Great Dane groups are an "in house" design, which means that in my France and Søn catalog it is not credited to any designer. However, I am convinced that the seating in the Great Dane series was drawn by Grete Jalk. See here for my evidence:
http://www.designaddict.com/forum/General-discussion/Secret-Designers
This table however is NOT associated with the Great Dane groups in the same way as other coffee tables are associated with their matching seating. They are not called "companion" tables. This makes me suspect that it either was not designed by the same person, or that it pre-dates the Great Dane groups, or some other complication. So I am NOT convinced the table was drawn by Grete Jalk, not at all.


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Mid-Centurian
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28/06/2015 12:01 am  

Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge as always Leif Ericson, fascinating & educational .
Is this model 622 from a F & S catalog page you'd posted in that same forum not the same design
in a rectangular shape which is being described as the companion table to the Great Dane group ?



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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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28/06/2015 1:42 am  

I wouldn't pay any attention to whether it is the square version or the rectangular. They are all the same design-wise.


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LCA
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30/08/2015 10:30 pm  

hello
I have recently purchased a collection of france and son marked tables and chairs.
I have been trying to identify the designers of these side tables and coffee table (no pic today)
I have read with interest this thread and the 'hidden designer' thread Leif refers to above.
So, I can see that my coffee table is a great dane table #622...(is this solid teak? it weighs a ton?)
I cannot clearly see on the occasional table page from the catalog if my side tables match the ?is the number 543 or 563? And does this table match the details shown in that photo? Is this a solid teak table?
The table has the metal (brass?) riser between the top and side arms as well as a lower shelf...the legs have the dimple identical to the dimple on the legs of the Jalk loungers and couch but perhaps that is a france and sons detail rather than a Jalk hallmark....
thanks again for the previously posted discussion...hugely helpful especially the catalog pages and discussion thereof
all comments welcome/thanks for looking




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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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31/08/2015 7:49 am  

If you look for end grain it will tell you if it is solid teak or not. I believe the photo shows edge banding underneath veneer, but if can't really tell much from the photos.


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31/08/2015 5:50 pm  

Photo #4 in Mid-Centurion's first post in this thread shows veneer strip on the end, so no---not solid teak. The weight is due to whatever they used for the top---solid wood of a lesser species or some king of engineered wood like particle board or whatever. I don't know what was commonly used in that era. But in that thickness, many materials will feel heavy!


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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31/08/2015 5:57 pm  

I have never personally seen a veneer France And Søn piece, although I know from reliable sources that they do exist, so I've never had an opportunity to inspect one and try to see what the substrate is. (Sometimes an open screw hole is all it takes).
I imagine the substrate is particle board. It is dimensionally stable and cheap, and heavy. Particleboard is generally heavier than solid wood because of all the glue.


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Mid-Centurian
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31/08/2015 9:46 pm  

Leif Ericson . . .
Thanks for your continued advice on this old post of mine .
I made a recent post which I'd hoped would catch your attention & you might comment on . . .
" Rare Hovmand-Olsen chair | ID model no."
Would be great to chat someday, is there any way to get in touch with you outside of this forum ?
Best,
Mid-Centurian


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01/09/2015 4:32 am  

thank you so much Spanky and Leif for your time and comments...much appreciated as always!
I was confused by the contradictory info I was finding online so once again...thank you for taking the time to share, post and discuss the catalog...so helpful Leif...
and Spanky, you rock! Your patience and willingness to engage is sublime!


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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01/09/2015 7:14 am  

Mid-centurian: http://movablemodern.com/contact


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