The 3 best: http://www.hivemodern.comhttp://www.retromodern.comhttp://www.highbrowfurniture.com
All 3 of 'em list all Herman Miller for the Home products, have the same prices, and do not charge for shipping.
For you, Hive is closest (in Washington State)
Right now though the 20th, Herman Miller's having a 10% off sale!
Right
I'm sure you can do much better at building an interstate, fighting forest fires, or repairing bridges than the government can.
Politics aside - taxes are the price of having a civilized society. It pays for police, firefighters, infrastructure etc - all of these things you and I depend on. Not to mention if you spend the money locally you're helping the local economy. Go find a shop where someone works on commission - that ensures the money will go to them, and they will also spend it locally. Money spent within a local economy - on average - kicks around that economy 3-7 times. Even money spent at the local branch of a national chain does more economical impact than spending money online.
Seriously - we're at a time where its gonna get REALLY important to start looking at the big picture instead of immediate gratification!
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Income taxes in this country are mandatory, and the average person pays a quarter to a third of their earnings in tax.
A sales tax, being a consumption tax, is discretionary*. If Wolfgang chooses to avoid the tax by buying in another state, it's presumptuous and wrongheaded of you to imply he's "unpatriotic" for doing so.
(*I don't know about other states, but in New York, we pay an online purchases tax; regardless as to whether we buy online or not.)
You stress the importance of buying locally, because it helps the local economy. So? If a Californian buys in Washington state, it then helps the Washington economy. There's no net loss. You speak as though each state is an island unto itself.
LS....if I wanted to buy new
I would always buy out of town from a reputable website that does not charge tax or shipping.
I cheerfully pay enough taxes on items locally, and I have no hesitancy to stiff my state when I buy a big ticket item like something from Herman Miller or Knoll.
When I bought my house, I created a record room in the basement and wanted a nice Eames square table. Problem is, not everybody shows it as being available. Hive Modern was the ticket; their price was standard (I bought it during the 10% off sale), they didn't charge shipping or tax and it was drop shipped directly from Herman Miller in Zealand, MI (Hive's in Washington state and i'm in Minnesota, au'go-go).
A totally satisfiying transaction, and I got a nifty square table for organizing!
The table's 36" square and I ordered in grey.
The Law
Hi -
There's a lot of ignorance being spouted here (even more so than usual), so here's what I know re sales tax, at least as it applies to NY state. I assume the same is true of California.
"Sales tax" is a misnomer. It's really a "use tax". Thus, if you buy a car in Connecticut but intended to use it in NY, you have to pay NY sales tax. Same with books, jewelry, etc. That's why Amazon now charges NY State residents for goods (ie, mostly books) purchased outside of NY (though Amazon is disputing it in the courts for other legal reasons).
Thus, if you buy Eames chairs in Washington state, but have them shipped to California, and you intended to use them in California, you don't pay Wash tax, but you're "supposed to" pay Cali sales tax.
Of course, the internet allows us all to easily escape paying such a tax. And I don't care if you want to evade your responsibilities under the law; it's your life. But what someone above suggested -- that it's perfectly legal to do this -- is simply wrong. It's not.
ycl...thanx for the history/legal/moral message
which is quite beside the point.
One person simply asked where to buy and stated his country and state.
I told him of the 3 best internet sites that would provide him with the best service and lowest price.
Then, afterwards, questions were asked about tax and shipping, and like we often do, we got aside of the original point.
Based on your message, I get the impression that you consider shopping around the internet for the best price is immoral, etc.
I do not. I pay plenty of local, state and federal taxes, usually without complaint. If, however, I can legally save a few bucks, then, by george, I'm gonna do it.
So, I suggested three websites for that person to consider, and yet, I'm not sure what's behind your comment about how we might all be sorry in the long-run. Somehow, I feel like I'm back in grade school and for some unknown reason, my knuckles seem a bit sore!
YCL--
Okay, let's get this straight-- online sellers have ZERO legal obligation to collect sales tax from out-of-state buyers, HOWEVER out-of-state buyers have a legal (and moral!) obligation to "tax themselves" for out of state purchases and pay the sales tax to their home state? Is that what you're telling us?
I have no doubt that the pols are scrambling to figure out ways to tax internet sales from both ends, but I hadn't realized the day had come.
2 things (continuing to be off topic)
1. Barry, I'm glad that you are so proud of flaunting your obligation, and that you have perfectly reasonable justifications for doing so: you pay plenty locally so you're okay stiffing the state once in a while.
I'm sure your local firefighter has the occasional similar thought. "Why put out that fire..." he thinks "I put out TWO yesterday."
And by the way, wasn't there a catastrophic bridge collapse a year ago in Minneapolis? I'm sure that was totally unrelated to under-funding.
2. WHC - concerning sales taxes, states ARE islands unto themselves. For instance, in NH - which collects no sales tax, school funding is completely wrongheaded and based on property taxes. The result - rich towns have good schools and poor towns flounder. (A side result is that people from Massachusetts who can't do math spend 80$ in gas to drive north and save $40 on sales tax.)
So, for the internet question - if someone from MA buys from a company in WA, MA is taking a loss in tax revenue. That affects MA - not WA. Thats the definition of a 'local' economy. And, since WA wont charge MA sales tax there IS a net loss - for both MA & WA, since neither is collecting tax revenue.
If you skirt taxes you're freeloading. Every one of us depends on the government for something - be it police presence, roads & highways, schools, public transportation, or the occasional social service. If enough people avoid paying taxes, things like the Minneapolis bridge happen.
I agree that no system is perfect - after all, I'm from Massachusetts - where the cry "No Taxation without Representation" was born. However, since the US does have a representative form of government if you don't like the way things work there are plenty of legal, effective ways of getting things accomplished.
LS....your point is really a lot of hooey
in regards to buying online and not paying taxes. It's not my rule; no one is stiffing anyone. If the legit websites choose not to charge tax, then why in God's name should I not buy from them.
You have a valid arguement to make but your views ought to be directed to the Congress and the Governors, not us.
Until it turns out to be illegal, then I will cheerfully continue to buy from websites that neither charge tax or shipping....and until it becomes illegal, then you'll just have to get over it.
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