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klc0715
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14/02/2012 2:02 pm  

Rockwood, Do you still have the drill press jig you made for making Cado System wall rails? If not, do you know anyone who makes rails?


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rockland
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16/02/2012 5:03 am  

Ebay
I see rails on ebay every once in a while.
Ha. I still have the jig and we laugh about it. It is complicated.
Needs a master carpenter to work it. It is very tricky and took a few days
to work out. Not an easy project but we were determined and made a dozen
that we needed. Just not easy to 'bang them out' as i had hoped.
Thought i could help out others that might need them.


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HPau
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16/02/2012 5:29 am  

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Had a quick look the the original thread, is that a 45 degree angle? There are heaps of pocket hole drilling jigs available, not sure if they might need adapting to get the angle right though, using a brad point bit would be helpful.
Or just tilt the table? Digital inclineometer?
Or another way might be to buy 2 steel bushes, drill two through identical aligned holes in a biggish block of hardwood, epoxy the bushes in then cut the angle on a chop saw...
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cadodream
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17/02/2013 8:50 pm  

Question to Rockland
Hello
I didn't quite understood from your message if you, in the end, succeed to achieve them of not.
If you failed, I might also be interested to know why and at what step of the process.
As I said in a previous post, a close family member is in the process of making a unit, and would like to know wether it is a problem of skills (but he has been a very patient, wise and precise craftman for all his life, though he started woodworking only 2 years ago), or a matter of tooling.
Let me know, and we'll be happy to share our experience as well. (Right now, we're buying new tool to make the 25% angled cabinets front lines)


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rockland
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18/02/2013 4:49 pm  

Here is the thread
And yes, we made ten or so. Looking at them now above and beside my desk.
http://www.designaddict.com/design_addict/forums/index.cfm/fuseaction/th...


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cadodream
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18/02/2013 5:38 pm  

well, thanks rockland, and...
great news if you're now looking at them on your wall.
I already knew the thread, but you also said in an other thread your rail jigs were on top of the "fouls'shelf" because it was not as easy at it appeared.
Hence why i might have misunderstood the chronlogy of your project events.
PS to heath : I'm not sure drill two through identical aligned holes in a biggish block of hardwood would be a good idea. If you look at an original rail, you'll see the wood is not drilled on the whole thickness of the rail


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cadodream
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10/03/2013 6:28 pm  

state of the art
Before the stain...
Cheers


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rockland
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10/03/2013 10:56 pm  

Well done!
The shelves have a very simple peg to hold them in place. (We made extra shelves). Is that ash?


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cadodream
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10/03/2013 11:56 pm  

Hi Rockland
You can't see it on the photo, but brackets are already drilled to put the 2 extra pegs to maintain the shelf in place.
As for the wood, it's not ash, but black locust.
The veining similarity with teak is really astonishing.
After the stain process, it'll be impossible to make the difference (see me color tests below)
Cabinets are in the work too (bought a special tool to bevel the edges at the state of the art 25 degrees)
cheers


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Gailstevie
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16/04/2013 6:57 pm  

Are you willing to make the rails and sell them?
I am looking for just the rails, I have a system but with the solid wood rail system and in my new home, it is too overpowering. I would prefer the open rail system but am having a hard time finding 8 of them.
Thanks!
Gail


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cadodream
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16/04/2013 9:36 pm  

Hi Gail
I?m not sure to understand clearly your problem.
By overpowering, do you mean you have the system with the veneered wall panels and they darken your room a little too much for your taste?
Apart from that, there are two open rail systems : CADO system (like the one above, where shelves are supported by wooden brackets), and ROYAL SYSTEM, which use brass hangers.
About your other question: we just made it for fun and the beauty of woodworking and had no intent to place ourselves on that ever growing market.
But the dimensions are pretty straight, and you should consider asking a woodworker.
8 rails should cost you less than 50USD for the wood itself.
Or you could monitor ebay : rails pops up now and then
Hope that helps
cheers


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asd
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16/04/2013 10:04 pm  

black locust
cadodream, any suggestions on where to purchase black locust? to my knowledge, not a common wood i see at the big box stores. what stain did you use to get the teak appearance?


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rockland
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16/04/2013 10:05 pm  

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She has the panels where the holes are drilled into the left and right edge. I had the same and they are overwhelming in some installations.
An ebay seller is making them for sale. He had posted a link for buying just the standards/rails a few weeks ago. No longer there but i'm guessing he will appear again soon. Did not think at the time to write down the contact info.


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cadodream
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16/04/2013 10:37 pm  

asd
For black locust, the main question is, of course: where are you located?
Bought mine at the nearest sawmill. They price them same as oak.
The stain is a water based, blend with mat shellac (I'm not sure it's the exact word in English), finish, and the providers made a colour search for me.
I brought them a sample of my Danish furniture and a sample of my sawn locust. They "cooked" the stain mix so all I have to do is apply it on the wood.


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17/04/2013 9:31 am  

wood source
i'm located in the states (california). looking for a way to most closely resemble teak (building a mirror frame for our bathroom) without the cost.


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