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farah
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24/04/2007 11:13 am  

What do you guys think about the Mademoiselle Charir by Stark/Missoni for Kartell. Is it really worth $900?


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koen
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24/04/2007 8:03 pm  

Anything that costs....
...about $9.00 (the P.C. structure) + $18.00 (the fabric couvered polyurethane cushion) and is sold for $900 is either a rip off, or rare (according to his brother's letters, the materials in a Van Gogh painting are worth less than two french francs of the period...yet...)or the price is kept high in order to prevent people that like it but can not afford it, would buy it. I guess it is up to you to choose in which category you put the "Mademoiselle"...some mademoiselles are indeed expensive


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farah
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24/04/2007 11:44 pm  

yeah... but...
ok, I see you point on material costs, but there is also manufacturing costs, labor, the orginal design, etc... even if I could make it myself,it would costs more than $30 not to mention my valuable time and necessary tools. also when facturing costs, the aesthetics play a big part too. the earth tone missoni very pleasing.
hmm... do you still think too expensive? anyone else?


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koen
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25/04/2007 4:12 am  

I should not have mentioned....
Vincent Van Gogh. I agree it is confusing. But the cost I am mentioning are not material costs but complete production costs to the finished product and I am sure that Kartell would confirm that if they were participating in this forum. The only "un-known" factor is amortizing of the mould(s) and development costs. Now we enter the slippery field of professionalism. In a product of this kind, relatively simple, I feel that from proper technical drawings or 3D models of the designer to a production ready mould, there should not be any other costs but the mouldmaking. If the designer does not know what he is doing and/or how to construct for proper injection moulding of poly carbonate, the costs can be substantially higher. As to other development costs I do not think that this is realy the result of substantial market research, added value evaluations or ergonomic research...it just is not that kind of product. Anyway, the equation is always the same: the sum of cost of moulds and development, including initial marketing costs, increased by the capital costs over the period that the expected quantity will be sold, devided by that expected quantity. That's where my second statement comes into play. If you want it to be accessible than the expected quantities are high and the cost per product low, if you want to keep it exclusive you make the expected quantities low and that raises the cost per product...and so it becomes less accessible...talking about viscous circles.
Sorry agian for creating confusion in the first place.


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farah
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26/04/2007 9:57 am  

thanks for the insight Koen.
thanks for the insight Koen.


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peter osullivan
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27/04/2007 8:58 pm  

I am presuming you are talkin...
I am presuming you are talking about the coloured floral pattern?
It is quite a pricey fabric approx £80 per metre, this willpobably add to the cost
I had some cushions made up last year in the same fabric and they came out really well, the colours look fantatstic
The fabric is actually a re issue by Missoni and was first produced in the 1960's
Pete


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farah
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28/04/2007 12:12 am  

the fabic is
stunning. i like the earth tones. grabbed my attention right away and i normally hate prints. i've always gravitated toward solid colors. to be honest i didn't realize that fabric could cost that much.
I still don't know if I want to pay close $900 per chair but after looking for chairs for 4 years, these are the only that popped for me. so i might just buy one every trimestre. just in time for a dinner party for next spring ;-).


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koen
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28/04/2007 12:51 am  

Hi Pete
I was talking about cost "ex factory" not what the company charges...That last one has of course nothing to do with cost but with what people are willing to pay...the difference is called added value.


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peter osullivan
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30/04/2007 4:29 pm  

Farah, I know what you mean...
Farah, I know what you mean I didn’t consider pattern but as soon as I was shown this fabric I thought it was great, the colours and shapes go really well together
I've seen it used to make roller blinds also, these looked fantastic
I think it was first designed to be used as clothing / dress fabric I was told by the guy who sold it to me that it was modelled on the cover of vogue fashion magazine when it was re issued a couple of years back
Personally i’m a big fan of Kartell, I have always been delighted with there products very well made and some nice detailing,


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