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koen
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20/03/2007 2:26 pm  

My last contribution..
...was posted before the pictures came on. Otherwise I would just have said: "Whow!".
Now the last step: the proper surface treatment for the wood.


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James Collins
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20/03/2007 11:57 pm  

Wood Finish
I stained this one dark just to see how the form looked. I may sand it down and try something else. The 60 degree corners are in urban street parlance the shiznit!
Koens suggestion, a seemingly small change, suddenly makes the whole form come together. When the big check arrives from Ikea (tongue firmly planted in cheek) he can expect a nice gift. Now I need to finish the models I've been working on with four legs and alternative shapes.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shiznit


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James Collins
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21/03/2007 12:48 am  

t60 ends
I had actually tried a dark stain because the form of the first one looked somehow awkward, like three pieces a little uncomfortably stuck together. I was not happy with this one:

I thought it might look better darker but it was the 60 degree ends that made it come together like the model:

Even with it's blunt ends the model looked more cohesive to me than the actual version 1 table:

Now won't it be lovely when, as you write a thread , you will be able to drag little pics from your desktop into the text as you enter it, and have them automatically uploaded for posting.


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21/03/2007 12:50 am  

(:-(
and hopefully edit them...


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James Collins
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21/03/2007 2:05 am  

Who do I see
to delete my last three posts. I really shouldn't type buzzed.


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22/03/2007 1:54 am  

James...
I was looking at your table and one more thought occurred to me. I'm batting .000 right now, so I figure why not take another cut. 🙂
What if the three members were not only curved along the edges, as you have them, but were also curved bent-wood style end to end? This would give it curvature that carries through in more than one dimension. I thought of it as I looked at the picture of your table peering down through the glass top. Just another thought. Its another way of doing the design that you might be able to patent.


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22/03/2007 7:46 am  

Ha !
Thanks, Koen. I love this shiznit. . .and very well described, too. Makes perfect sense, to me. I wonder how far back that goes, and if it was done that way in North America. . .
Yes, that top photo with the green glass and yellow floor and red table; yow !
I like Mr Wilson's idea, too. Maybe we should all copyright our favorite version, and make it a family enterprise ?
Sorry, James. She's all yours, buzzed or not. (Smiley face here)


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22/03/2007 4:04 pm  

Let's see...
First of all James, I have no part in this. Whatever I mentioned was not more or less than the help/comments you would get from a teacher in any design school.
dcwilson's suggetion makes so much sense that it has already been done (not in combination with a wave, but certainly to start in the same plane and than bending out in two directions)...now I have to find the reference...and I still have to write about "Den Permante".
But...it would not be the same design. The reason why I abstained from more than suggestions on how to solve a "detail" is that this specific configuration is your design and I simply do not agree, or would I encourage to protect all kind of variations that might never be made but that prevent someone else to make them his own. Let's not forget that one of the reasons why Danish mid-century furniture became such an important and convincing movement is that they all worked withim a small range of formal language. Whether it was by choice or by the overwhelming influence of Kaare Klint is still an open question, but the consistency of the movement is above any doubt. In my mind, there is room for exploration as long as we do not limit other's possibilities by protecting needlessly.
Some may know both Jens Brotterup's (sorry Martin for the "o") chair of 1800 and Jacob Kjaer's 1937 design in Cuban mahagony. Both are amoung the 50...or so most important Danish chairs and yet one has to look twice to see the differences.
Yes SDR, this was common practice in the U.S.A. to. In fact the people that did it at Volvo were mostly U.S. engineers hired specifically to do that particular work. They were masters in their craft. Imagine to engrave a large enough groove to fit the tip of a pencil and to be able to put sometimes thre-four parallel lines on 1/16th of an inch without jumping from one into the other. When we traced, we would identify the line in the beginning, put our pencil into the groove and rely blindly on the engraving...and the engraver. A heavy burden for those who had to do it....and the thread is still called "table design"


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James Collins
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23/03/2007 5:06 am  

woodworking 101
The last part of the construction that I'm having trouble with is getting those damn holes straight up and down. I have a drill press, do I need to build some sort of widget to hold the leg absolutely square while I drill? Any tips on what that might be like? I shoulda paid more attention in shop class but we were all high from sniffing the methyl ethyl ketone in the print shop
Bless her heart, mom kept that awful curio shelf I built on the wall for a year before it mysteriously came loose and fell to the floor smashed to bits.


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23/03/2007 7:00 am  

In a word,
yes, you should take the time to build a fixture that will hold the leg in the right position. Just congratulate yourself on having a design where all six holes can be drilled with just one jig !
The device should be carefully squared to the table of the drill press and clamped to it. I can imagine a device which supports the leg and prevents the piece from slipping out of alignment.


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koen
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23/03/2007 7:41 am  

Hi James...
....oh, yes the contact glue...In spite of the dammage it obviously did, I managed to make a small 5 step sketch of how you could do it. I hope it will be of some help.
I am not as good in sketching as I should be...must be the contact glue...but I am even worse in including pictures. So i will send it in an E-mail to Patrick and beg him to be good to me and include it on this thread. It might not be as clear as I think it is, so do not hesitate if you have additional questions...your mother would be proud of you!


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23/03/2007 11:22 am  

Here is your sketch, Koen
Click to enlarge the picture


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koen
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23/03/2007 1:42 pm  

Thank you!
Merci,hartelijk dank....


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James Collins
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23/03/2007 9:35 pm  

I get it!
I'm having one of those lovely 'aha' moments. It's called a 'jig'? What a beautiful illustration aesthetically AND functionally. I totally get it. I can't possibly thank you enough! Thank you


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24/03/2007 12:03 am  

You are most....
welcome James but....let's wait for SDR's approuval. He might have something up his sleeve...


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