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08/03/2008 7:33 pm  

speaking of the clock that ...
speaking of the clock that i bought
i was told at the Palm Springs show that this clock
was somewhat unusual cause Umanoff did not add the 1 to the 10 creating a 0
as for the splits in the wood very characteristic of this type of wood, one other clock that i bought has this same kinda of split, after 40 years with extream heat and cold this is what happens with wood,
.... all the way down to our little clocks...


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12/03/2008 12:29 am  

Bought this "Nelson-ish" clock today....
After learning about George Nelson's clocks from this thread, I decided I had to pay homage to Nelson by having one of his whimsical designs on my wall. Either a ball type clock or a starbust/sunburst type model. I had my eye on a few different ones, until I came across this one this afternoon at Structube (modern furniture store in Montreal, $39 retail), and decided that's what I wanted. It's obviously "inspired" by the Nelson designs, but I don't think it's just a copy of a George Nelson/Miller clock, but an original design. (The blades are wood, the center dial is brushed steel, the hands are silver color). I don't know, are there a lot of clocks "inspired" by the Nelson clocks (ie. brushed steel center dial), or is it mainly either originals or knockoffs of his designs?


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12/03/2008 1:14 am  

Got this one today (finally)
and it's beautiful. Even had the second hand!
It's battery operated.


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13/03/2008 12:40 am  

Two more
found these at 1st Dibs for much too much...but not enough to stop me from pinching the images!


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15/03/2008 2:33 am  

Thus far...
I've created a spreadsheet containing 221 clocks and variant colors....and those are just the ones that I have actual catalog numbers for.
There's at least another 50+ more which I don't have information on.
So, I was close when I suggested that there were close to 300 clocks designed by the Nelson group and sold by Howard Miller!
Here's an example:
Asterisk clock
2213A Metal disk clock, diameter 10", depth 2 1/4" with white dial and black hands.
2213B Metal disk clock, diameter 10", depth 2 1/4" with black dial and white hands.
2213D Metal disk clock, diameter 10", depth 2 1/4" with turquoise dial and white hands.
2213E Metal disk clock, diameter 10", depth 2 1/4" with yellow dial and black hands.
2213F Metal disk clock, diameter 10", depth 2 1/4" with orange dial and black hands.
There must've been a 2213C version that was discontinued earlier than the others, but so far, I haven't found out that variation yet.
That makes 6 distinct clocks that were the Asterisk!
Not to mention that all of the above were sold as electric corded ($20.00), chronopack (with a plug for direct plug-in) ($20.00) or battery ($30.00).
I'm not counting the power variables, but let's say you wanted all of the Asterisk clocks, you would have 6x3=18 different editions of the Asterisk!
The more research I do, the more fasinating it becomes. I think there were more Nelson clocks than all of the wonderful items designed by Charles and Ray Eames or Florence Knoll or Alvar Aalto!
Including Nelson and his associates, it seems like Nelson was by the far the most prolific.
...and those idiots at Schiffer aren't even slightly interested in publishing the book!


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15/03/2008 4:15 am  

Well that last one didn't last too long.
....And then I decided no, my "Nelson-ish" clock from Structube was not all that practical, with silver hands on a silver face, figuring out the time was not that easy. So I scored this "minimalist" green thing on eBay... Couldn't find another one like it on the web, other than a previous sale from the same seller. So I've no idea where it comes from or where it might be sold.... and the only other folding wall clock I've seen is a "ribbon clock" from Umbra, made in stainless.


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17/03/2008 2:38 am  

Thus far....(again) COMMENTS?
I've created a spreadsheet containing 221 clocks and variant colors....and those are just the ones that I have actual catalog numbers for.
There's at least another 50+ more which I don't have information on.
So, I was close when I suggested that there were close to 300 clocks designed by the Nelson group and sold by Howard Miller!
Here's an example:
Asterisk clock
2213A Metal disk clock, diameter 10", depth 2 1/4" with white dial and black hands.
2213B Metal disk clock, diameter 10", depth 2 1/4" with black dial and white hands.
2213D Metal disk clock, diameter 10", depth 2 1/4" with turquoise dial and white hands.
2213E Metal disk clock, diameter 10", depth 2 1/4" with yellow dial and black hands.
2213F Metal disk clock, diameter 10", depth 2 1/4" with orange dial and black hands.
There must've been a 2213C version that was discontinued earlier than the others, but so far, I haven't found out that variation yet.
That makes 6 distinct clocks that were the Asterisk!
Not to mention that all of the above were sold as electric corded ($20.00), chronopack (with a plug for direct plug-in) ($20.00) or battery ($30.00).
I'm not counting the power variables, but let's say you wanted all of the Asterisk clocks, you would have 6x3=18 different editions of the Asterisk!
The more research I do, the more fasinating it becomes. I think there were more Nelson clocks than all of the wonderful items designed by Charles and Ray Eames or Florence Knoll or Alvar Aalto!
Including Nelson and his associates, it seems like Nelson was by the far the most prolific.
...and those idiots at Schiffer aren't even slightly interested in publishing the book!


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17/03/2008 3:03 am  

I wouldn't be so quick to mal...
I wouldn't be so quick to malign the folks at Schiffer. I imagine that part of the reason the proposal was rejected is that Schiffer wasn't sufficiently convinced that the proposer would be qualified to write the book. I think that if you want to get in the game here, you've got to put the book together yourself, on your own dime, and then shop it around.


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17/03/2008 4:15 am  

brbeard
your wrong brbeard and Barry is right!!! they were jerky
cause i got the letter from them before Barry did, basically they could have cared less about George nelson and Howard miller and the clocks, feeling that they might not sell that well.
They did not no if we the writers were grade school drop outs or have degrees in English lit from Yale in 1973
The book will be written one way or the other and yes
plenty of publishers out in book land who will publish it,no worry here,


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17/03/2008 5:34 am  

That's right....
I want the book to feature the clocks, but also include items designed by Nelson and Associates including:
for Howard Miller;
clocks
wall vanities and desks
planters
fireplace pieces
ribbon wall
room dividers
spice cabinets
for Prolon
Florence melmac
for (unknown company)
Half Nelson lamp
Kite lamp
and whatever else we can find.
Considering Schiffer's total lack of interest, I cannot understand how the Paul McCobb/Directional book ever got published!
This Nelson book would sell as good as any of their other MCM books, believe me.
and...we're hopefully going to get Irving Harper's involvement to write a forward and make any comments on the clocks...after all, he's actually the designer on most of 'em.
The quality of the writing is not all that important.


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17/03/2008 8:35 am  

Buy
I Would buy one. How about Taschen, they do a lot of oddball design books.


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17/03/2008 9:00 am  

Sites
A couple sites of Nelson interest. On AIGA, look through the pictures 1-10 under Nelson's photo
http://www.metropolismag.com/html/content_0601/har/index.html
http://www.aiga.org/content.cfm/medalist-georgenelson


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LRF
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18/03/2008 5:55 pm  

got my clock this morning...
got my clock this morning this clock ways about 20
lbs
now i see why Howard miller did away with these
Artur Umanoff clocks they weighted a ton!!,
I bet the shipping boys were getting Hernias from lifting wall clocks, any way the turned wood configurations on the clocks are all different , and that makes them cool but just way to heavy, That is more than likely why the price never went through the roof on his clocks


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18/03/2008 6:27 pm  

if
you are really stretching beyond clocks i have an omni system with almost every piece available plus literature and a beehive pendant lamp he did for nessen. i would be willing to contribute images/documentation. of course if you are encyclopedic about it, you can count on me to buy a copy. perhaps the focus should be "george nelson, beyond herman miller". he did great stuff that you never see.


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barrympls
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19/03/2008 3:39 am  

I don't know if we should call it
"George Nelson - Beyond Herman Miller", since apparently Nelson had little to do with most of these designs.
Probably should call it
GEORGE NELSON & ASSOCIATES - Design Beyond Herman Miller"
featuring designs by Irving Harper, et al


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