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Robert Leach
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15/08/2009 10:16 pm  

Not quite a product..
..but beautifully brutal


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dcwilson
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15/08/2009 11:45 pm  

robert1960...
It appears to be a church.
Dare we call it gothic brutal, or brutal gothic?
What church is it and who was the architect?


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dcwilson
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16/08/2009 12:01 am  

robert1960...
What we have above is a close up of a Baptistry Window in Coventry Cathedral. If I read right, the original cathedral, built in 1043, was destroyed by the Luftwaffe in 1940 and rebuilt in 1962 by architect Sir Basil Spense.
Thanks heavens for the right click and properties options on photos. Look at some more pics here: http://www.thesmith.org.uk/places/holy/coventry/
And read about it at the associated web link below.
http://www.c20society.org.uk/docs/building/coventry.html


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16/08/2009 12:05 am  

robert1960...
I always knew there was some connection between the gothic and the brutal. This image drives it home. Brutal, at least some of it, is gothic shorn of spires and gargoyles and both Christian AND pagan religious iconography.


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16/08/2009 10:10 am  

RSW Outland watch...
Referred to as Neo Brutalist.
http://www.hour-hand.com/index.php/RSW/rsw-outland-a-compass-that-shows-...


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dcwilson
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16/08/2009 10:25 am  

Pontiac Aztek
Auto Brutal?


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16/08/2009 11:39 am  

No
No, just ugly.


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Robert Leach
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16/08/2009 5:38 pm  

Back now
from real life
Yes, John Piper's stained glass windows for Basil Spence's Coventry Cathedral
Like a lot of his work, a set piece in Brutalism.
Whilst it clearly fits the language of church architecture, I don't really see the Gothic in it.


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16/08/2009 8:57 pm  

Gustavo
Could you characterize what makes the chandelier and vase brutalist in your opinion? The vase seems primitivist to me...in the way a Gauguin painting might be said to be primitivist. I am unable to characterize the chandelier, though I suppose it might be called neo-art nouveau, or art nouveau brutal.


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Robert Leach
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16/08/2009 9:22 pm  

Funnily Enough
I felt Gustavo's contributions to be the best examples of Brutalism in this thread.
I guess it's a theme we each have our own take on


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16/08/2009 10:20 pm  

robert1960...
Yes, yes, so true! One of the things I love about online fora like this one, is that one sees directly how differently different persons use words. And when discourse continues how meanings of the words, if they are near to one another, converge, and how if the meanings are too far apart, either conversation ends, or a debate emerges trying to converge the meanings, or at least to settle on one or the other. It reveals the deep need in persons for coherence internally within one's self, and between oneself and others. It reveals how dynamic and full of life language is. And I think architectural and design form languages have a similar dynamic. People want to understand them and get on the same page about them...up to a point. Past a certain point, they just give up and, as the Beatles sang, let it be.


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Robert Leach
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16/08/2009 11:53 pm  

Yeah
That's what I said 😉
Think I'll give Coventry Cathedral a thread of its own - it is well deserving


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dcwilson
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17/08/2009 12:53 am  

That it does...so give it one already 🙂
The architect wove in a piece of charred timber. I've seen this done somewhere else but cannot recall where.
It triggers a thought for future war memorials (note: I hope in vain, it seems, that there be no more wars to memorialize). Wouldn't it be compelling to design a war memorial/sculpture, especially one on the capital mall in Washington, entirely, or substantially, from the bits and pieces of the things blown apart by the dreadful war being memorialized. Sort of an architectural equivalent of Picasso's Guernica. It seems such an organic idea that it must have been done before. If not, consider this post a genesis of the inevitable.


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17/08/2009 1:14 am  

Bruatlist objects
When I asked about brutalist objects I didn't thought having nothing in mind, Yes was to me clear what it was in architecture, but as we always talk about objects, was natural to have this question, but no so quick imagines in mind....
open parenthesis...
then I recalled Robert's question on inspiration...
Isn't great for inspiration the translation from architecture into furniture...?
fashion to architecture, to graphicdesgn to cinema, and why not from political-biology to industrial design 😉
blablahbla.
And most people hate brutalist buildings.., how to aboard that? Easy, I don't forget people, I'll do furniture that people will hate...! Design with love and Passion, to be hated for the people!!!. (complejidad y contradiccion to DC)
inspiring, very inspiring...
close parenthesis...
Examples shown:
I like a lot of the examples shown, specilally the
DCwilsons, aid mixer elegantyly brutal and Giant Dump Trucks
Andrewj, your Stefan Zwicky's Domage a Corbusier is really great, and really copies the brut form building to furniture.
As well as Claus's Willy Guhl's Eternit planter, I though a stool, but as a planter are pefect and... cool.
The more I write, the more uncomfortable I felt with tags...but I must go on...
chewbacca, E15 stool, not brut concrete, but brut wood, how to call it? I prefer to sit on wood than concrete...
And DC, Poul evans table the only one from the 60's and the most brutalist for my records then 😉
And the watch indeed self-named neo-brutalist.
Robert's Coventry Cathedral WOOW..UUF!, you transmitted that emotional feelings into the thread, I meant those things when think about brutalism. ...open the thread of its own when you want!
Provably the "machined" objects like that watch, and machines in general, has some root to build brutalist objects...
Comes to mind some "viseral"-"organic"-"manchines" I don't recall by who was the artist (graphics) from 90's that could fit into this category..Anybody?


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Gustavo
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17/08/2009 1:17 am  

60's brutalism
(Brutalism and Neo-brutalism)
But later I recalled once or twice here at DA one or two examples of something named like that, and was made of steel, and in the 60's early 70's.
The idea to use the concrete to a furniture as a translation from architecture, comes quickly to mind, and it's not bad sometimes, but I don't know if will always be the best way. ALL buildings (ie:modernist buildings) are made of concrete (or stone/bricks) but the furniture are made in fabrics and metal and wood. It's not a matter of the election of the material.
Simply, the historical Burtalist period in architecture had to be about contemporary to the furniture. ..If was the zeitgeist of the time....
That's why I choose brutalist objects from that period.
Why are brutalist?..
Perhaps is the the way was translated that into the objects
The table/chair and console are brutalist and, the vase is the way the artist plasmed the brutalis idea into a vase.
The chandelier is promoted as brutalist, and i like the quite irregular shaped and bad ends, etc in contrast with the golden/shiny surface, as an intenet to an elegant-chic-brutalist.
For some reason brutalist furniture and objects are too less produced than architecture.
By the way, is almost always the opposite, architecture because of the nature of the discipline, needs much more time and resources than to say a furniture to develop
Why it's seems to be worked better in architecture than in industrial design?
The othe examples, are then neo-brutalists, as the watch.
I also heard new-brutalist, that should be the same, but cooler.
On Brutalist-Gothic relationship, first time DC call it (other thread) didn't pay attention, now with the second... yes I see something, but brut/organic/visceral/rationalis-not rationalist... Is there something...?, but that's more for other than for me, so I pass the ball to to a Saxon, you'll do it better than a Latino to confirm the relationship if there is any 😉 If it's true, I'd nominate Clorindo Testa as one of the most Gothic-Brutalists by the way...
ps. In general, I don't mind to use tags as other designer/artist could be, that this time I feel more uncomfortable than usual....


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