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11/09/2011 2:20 pm  

Hi all,

I need your help to find out wether this Eames chair a real one is!

It sold as a Eames PAW Swivel Base Chair Zenith Rope Edge from the 1949-50 at about 2'500$.

The seller adds to the description that both the chair and the legs are original from the years 49-50. The legs are in walnut and come from the factory SENG in chicago and were produced for Herman Miller.

That's all I have!

Thanks a lot for your help!


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13/09/2011 8:35 pm  

Re: Real Eames PAW Swivel Base Chair Zenith Rope Edge?
Hi Ferrero,
I'm not an expert in the field of PAW Swivel Base chairs, because they are so rare, but I doubt whether it is a Seng base.
The reasons:
- No punched mark/sign of Seng Chicago
- Early (wood) bases were all made of birch
See the pictures bellow of the PAW from my collection.
Good luck.


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14/09/2011 12:57 am  

Think the base is proper...
One of the supports is probably blocking the Seng stamp? It has been repaired/altered though. Those square nuts shouldn't be there. Doubt it swivels very well if at all, that considered.


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14/09/2011 1:20 am  

the base is completely...
the swivel mechanism is completely different. take a 2nd look at the images...


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14/09/2011 1:45 am  

Completely what?
That photo is a different version than the one in the original post.


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14/09/2011 1:56 am  

Are there more PAW owners out there...
It would be nice if more PAW owners would post a picture of the swivel mechanism. I wonder if there are multiple versions..?
The (early) ones that I have seen had all a visible mark/sign of Seng Chicago.


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14/09/2011 1:58 am  

Sorry I wasn't aware there ar...
Sorry I wasn't aware there are different versions of this base, but of course that makes sense, since there are several variations on all the other bases.
Still, where would the Seng mark be located? I can see 99% of the underside of base. But maybe this version weren't even stamped? Afterall, most of the other bases were never stamped...


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14/09/2011 2:21 am  

Here we are...
Same version, with stamp. As you can see, depending on the swivel position, the stamp could be concealed by the underlying support arms. But I can't say that it not having a stamp would put me off either, depending on the source. It looks proper but as I said tampered with. Certainly not worth the price for me.


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14/09/2011 2:26 am  

To me
It looks like it was broken and/or damaged, and then repaired.


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14/09/2011 3:12 am  

Not
That base looks off to me, all the thngs I would look for to tell me it authentc just a not there. Nice shell though.
Edit:
I tend to agree it looks authentic but fixed up. The wear on it certainly looks legit for the age it should be. Taking into account it's age and the abuse these bases sometimes put up with it can't be surprising to find repair work done on them and in fact for certain repairs to be common. - female counterpart of the tiny armada. (my partner, posted his differing opinion above)


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14/09/2011 3:33 am  

It's authentic, guys...
Don't know what you guys are looking for.
Repaired but authentic.


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14/09/2011 7:25 pm  

Thanks guys for everything!...
Thanks guys for everything!
We were looking for a real nice, original, unrepaired one and finally went to see it and it looked really akward... Seems to have be repaired although the guys said it wasn't. So, well.. that didn't seem very trustworthy.. especially for that amount of money!
Thanks a lot for your help!


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03/11/2011 9:46 am  

A Seng swivel of the same typ...
A Seng swivel of the same type as the OP, showing the spot welds without the square nuts/bolts added to repair them (but mounted on a wire chair that has a lot of weld repairs).
I did notice that the Seng stamp occurs on both the top and bottom swivel plates, so if one of the plates did not have it, there might always be a chance it could be present on the other.
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Actually, looking at the OP photo, it looks like all of the spot welds broke, and that clumsy weld repairs were then attempted in addition to the nuts/bolts being added.


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03/11/2011 5:06 pm  

I also think the original...
I also think the original poster's image has a Seng stamp, although the quality of the image is very poor. If you compare the position of the stamp on other swivels with their's, I even think you can make out the letter "E" pretty well.


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