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drubenw
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14/09/2015 8:51 pm  

I recently picked these up in auction but am having a difficult time finding comps for selling or any information on the rarity of the chair and especially the color.

Can anyone help here with either?

Please??!?!?!

Sincerely,
Newbie Fanatic
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kvc06
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14/09/2015 9:19 pm  

I'm not sure Wright auction is the place to start out buying stuff for resale.... they're worth about what you paid.


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drubenw
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14/09/2015 9:33 pm  

Fair enough, but I think with the rarity and the whole set, they're still worth a bit more. No?


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modernefamilie
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14/09/2015 9:45 pm  

Possibly, but not much. You got a great set and I hope you enjoy them, but an auction like Wright it the top tier for reselling. Being a well documented set you could always put them back into a Wright auction and hope they go for more, but that Eames auction attracted all the right people and should give you an accurate reflection on value.
There was a commercial here in the states awhile back about someone buying something at auction and then turning right around to sell it. IMHO its never the best move.


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cdsilva
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14/09/2015 10:17 pm  

Let me see if I understand this correctly. . .
You are not very familiar with Eames' design, rarity, or value, but you chose to buy a set of four chairs from one of the higher end auction houses in the country with the intent of reselling for a profit because of "the rarity and the whole set". And now you are hoping that someone here will tell you that it is worth much more than you paid ($1100 + 28% buyer's fee + sales tax (I'll go ahead and assume you don't have a reseller's permit)).
Good luck with the flip. If you can't get what you paid for them, you could always use them around your kitchen table. They look to be in pretty good shape.


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drubenw
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15/09/2015 12:17 am  

Close but no cigar. I was using the web auction and the bid went through at a price much higher than I was willing to/planning on paying.
I am familiar with his designs and many of the other pieces/lines but this one didn't have as much history/background/data or sales activity to go on.
I do love the set. It's gorgeous but I got screwed by the web site and was exploring my options...
Thanks for the help though. Much obliged...


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cdsilva
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15/09/2015 12:58 am  

If the website made an error with your max price, then you should not have any obligation to pay. If you inadvertently entered a higher max price than you wanted, I suppose you could always back out afterwards by saying it was an input error. They may not approve you for future auctions, but there are worse things in life.
I know very little about value of most Eames chairs, but the price seems somewhat reasonable for that auction house. Since you like the chairs a lot, why not just keep and enjoy them.


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Lowe9
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15/09/2015 1:43 am  

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/fuo/5218869174.html
It looks like you're trying to make a nice little profit on these chairs, not simply get your money back if you overpaid.


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cdsilva
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15/09/2015 7:46 am  

A Wright-to-craigslist flip. I apologize. You seem to know what you're doing after all.


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drubenw
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15/09/2015 4:39 pm  

That's correct, Lowe9. All I've seen online is that the chairs without pads are worth up to and around 500 each. The pads, which are rare, are worth at least 100-250 each, which would make that a fair price.
And the only comp I've found is listing the set at $4,000 in black, which, to my knowledge, isn't as rare a color as this blue.
What else am I supposed to do if I'm stuck with them and have to drive a few hundred miles to pick them up? Give them away?


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toomanychairs
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15/09/2015 6:25 pm  

I'll try to answer your questions without the snark. I'm not a pro, but I spend a lot of time on eBay and 1stDibs and all the rest, and here is what I have observed.
$500 apiece is not way out of line, but that is a full-on retail price. Generally, people expect more of a bargain on eBay/Etsy/Craigslist. Big-city vintage-furniture dealers and design galleries charge more, in part because they sometimes keep pieces on the sales floor for months or even years. They cater to interior designers who want to come in while on a job, buy, and call it a day. (If you're doing over someone's apartment as a pro, you can't wait a year for the right chairs to show up on eBay; you have to just get them, and for that you, and your client, pay a premium.)
If you look at the Sold Listings on eBay, you'll see what they actually go for, rather than what people are asking. That is more like $150 to $200 a chair, plus whatever you can get for the pads. The difference between that and a gallery price covers the gallery's rent and profit margin.
When you see items like this at full retail prices on eBay/Etsy/Craigslist, they often keep appearing there for a very long time, listed and relisted. Eventually one of those interior-designer buyers may show up, or an eBay novice will, and the long wait can be profitable.
You didn't overpay; you got a decent deal, if you had been buying to own, but a profitable flip from there will be difficult. Not impossible. If you are patient, and re-list multiple times as your ad expires, you may eventually find a buyer at your price, or near it.


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drubenw
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15/09/2015 6:45 pm  

Thanks for the comment and lack of snark. Was surprised by how much there was. I didn't think I posted to Reddit...
I was thinking the same thing. I love the chairs. May keep them for a while, but if I can turn a profit, I'll try that too. Trying to acquire some fun pieces, trade up and enjoy this passion/hobby.
Appreciate your thoughts, Toomanychairs. I'm in the same boat (now with four more!).
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15/09/2015 7:25 pm  

If I remember in the 1955/56 catalog (reprinted in 1998) offers this blue as a standard naugahyde color. A slightly deeper with a purplish hue later became a standard IBM blue (one of Herman Miller's biggest contract client).


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cdsilva
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15/09/2015 8:05 pm  

It's not very nice of Herman Miller to not credit Mr Girard for design of his blue naugahyde. . .
Yes, Newbie Fanatic, that was snark as well.
I certainly wish you well in your newfound love of MCM. However, I have no love for listings like your craigslist ad. It is either extremely poorly researched, or you are intentionally tossing out incorrect information in your chair description to better the chances of them selling. Based on what you have written above, there is a chance you may not have even come to Chicago yet to pick them up. Yet, the chairs are in "excellent condition", have the original bases (enameled steel bucket on chromed steel base), and original glides.
And last but not least, "Blue pads is [sic] designed by the legendary Alexander Girard." Any benefit of doubt that a potential buyer might have for this listing before reading this, just evaporated.
Rather than simply accept the fact that you didn't get a steal of a deal, you are trying to pass these chairs off on someone else who has even less knowledge on these items than you.
Having said that, I do have a lead for a couple of potential buyers for you...


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william swift
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15/09/2015 9:06 pm  

cdsilva,
Just when I thought you couldn't be any more snarky and mean spirited, you post something like this...AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!


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