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Patroni
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23/04/2014 2:58 am  

We are a small creative team and are developing hand made relief lamps, which capture special light reflections found in nature. At the same time, we were looking for a design, which would work as wall, floor or ceiling lamp. Each lamp is entirely hand made and different from others.

Right now there are two types WATER and EARTH and work on many more, based on natures elements.

Your feedback is highly appreciated! Cheers Antonio

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Patroni
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23/04/2014 3:11 am  

New conception in lighting
The reason for my post is to make those interested aware of this new conception. The background of creating these lamps, was that we found it hard to find large, shield-like wall lamps, which would also "live" when not lit and present themselves like a painting. It is a lot of work to create a water surface, which shows the same dazzling twinkle effects like a water surface would do in sunlight...
Most lamps we found these days look very technical and have very little character (IMHO). Your feedback is highly appreciated.
Cheers
Antonio


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jdip
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23/04/2014 4:03 am  

you are likely going to catch crap
from members here for posting a link to your site. The Terra version is interesting. Not a fan of the water background.....very Miami looking. Are you actually going to leave that badge with your compnay name on the lamp like that? I vote no on the name badge.


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Eameshead
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23/04/2014 4:34 am  

Aside from the fact that this...
Aside from the fact that this appears to be a blatant advertisement...
I do admire your inspired goal of attempting to recreate the complex effects of natural sunlight on water. But while a worthy goal, trying to aim so high may be the lamp's downfall. It's trying to do be way too many things at once.
Honestly? This lamp in its present form is over-articulated, heavy-looking on the wall, and feels quite dated.
Is it a lamp that is trying to be a sculpture? Or is it a sculpture that wants to be a lamp? Or is it neither?
I also agree about the logo comment. Bad move. But that is the very least of your worries.
I know this might be a bit harsh, but I figure I'm saving you a lot of money and time by being honest here, and you did ask.
When in doubt, simplify.
And just remember, 90% of designing is RE designing.
Just one opinion. (I can be a twerp sometimes, so take it with a grain of salt, OK?)
Okay.


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Patroni
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23/04/2014 4:39 pm  

Hi guys, many thanks for...
Hi guys, many thanks for your feedback. Sorry for posting that link, it wasnt intended as advert. Its supposed to be an open discussion on something different.
Good ideas need to grow and your feedback helps and even straight forward critics are very appreciated.
As far as the badge goes, that is ofcourse removable. But at the same time, this may be a personal thing, since you have badges on nearly anything these days.
The design is subject to taste, but then again we wanted this to look different and they are sculptures which want to be a lamp. Or maybe they just don´t fit into a box yet ? Why does there have to be a box ?
Do you know of anything similar in the lamp world ? A piece that is art/sculpture during the day, and a lamp in the evenings ? We find far too many lamps are too technical and construction like.
Going new ways is never easy... 😉


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Spanky
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23/04/2014 8:26 pm  

Yes, there are badges, or brand names,
on many things these days---often to the design's detriment. Look at the great design icons of decades past. Did the Eameses put a visible label or signature anywhere on their creations? Did Hans Wegner or Arne Jacobsen or Poul Henningsen? No, of course not. Their actual signatures had nothing to do with their designs.
There are items these days with prominent brand names on them where the graphics are integral to the design, but you know what? I, for one, don't buy stuff like that. I just can't. I can't stand the trend. And your brand name on these light fixtures doesn't even have anything to do with the design, it's just like a little smudge of something foreign on there. I don't know how you could brand the piece and have it be integral to the design so maybe you should just sign the back?
That said, there are already a lot of sculptural light fixtures that look beautiful whether on or off. Like, tons. Maybe not a lot that are supposed to look literally like water---but then again, when someone designed one to look like an artichoke many decades ago, i don't think the concept of sculpture and light in one is new.


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Eameshead
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23/04/2014 8:57 pm  

light and sculpture
No self respecting sculptor would try to turn a sculpture into a lamp. (A few have used light successfully- but as an extension of a true sculptural concern, rather than making a piece double as a "lamp" )
But many of the best lighting designs do have a beautifully sculptural quality that is INTEGRATED with the lighting element.
This design, as it stands, seems to be no more than a plate of flat texture with a light sconce stuck in front of it. Hardly a well thought out "sculpture" in the daytime, or any time.
The light sconce feels like an afterthought, even though it is the dominant visual element in many ways.
Trying to have it both ways by calling it a "lamp" in the evening and a "sculpture" in the daytime-- does a disservice to both.
Using the categories as a rationalization (and only when it suits you) ends up being an "apology" for weak design in both disciplines.


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Patroni
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23/04/2014 10:40 pm  

Thank you everyone for your...
Thank you everyone for your constructive feedback.
Looking at this as "sculptures" I find misleading, since what we do is hand shaping reliefs for a special effect. And one can´t really compare a Poulsen artichoke with a wall or shield lamp like this.
Its truely hard to find a category for this, but not sure if it needs one ?! At the end of the day these lamps so far find their fans in people, who look for that specific athmoshere, that we are shaping. It seems for some the outline and set up (shield/sconce) is more in the foreground than the concept of the reliefs.
The relief is supposed to be the dominant thing and the sconce just a round up...


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phoebe
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23/04/2014 11:51 pm  

The earth one I like. ...
The earth one I like.
Take the following with a huge grain of salt (the others make much better comments):
I think you need the whole house to represent the four elements, and maybe not so literally: a Noguchi coffee table reminds me of still water, his Children's Cyclone side table air; his beehive Akari light fire (of course). I do own the Children's Cyclone.
I was planning to buy Phillips' Organic Modern lighting fixtures, but by organic they mean a grasscloth shade, or that the surface is rock-like.
Also, medieval candle-like fixtures go well with modern furniture, as do other medieval-modernist touches. Both had sparse interiors.
I love lighting and have Anglepoise lamps, the Nesso orange mushroom, and the Nelson spherical bubble lamp. The Nesso would dominate any room I put it in. I need to replace all the fixtures, though.


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phoebe
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24/04/2014 5:09 am  

I did want to wish you luck.
...
I did want to wish you luck.
I do love at least one new lamp, the Lumio; the material is much stronger than the Nelson bubble (which is what I decided to buy in this category) or the Akari. You can open the Lumio all the way into a ball light, or stick it (it has magnets), or hang it from its string, and do other things. When I saw the lighted book though I think I almost cried. I would just open it on a table like that.


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Mark
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24/04/2014 7:16 am  

wow phoebe
that light smokes!
I'm slightly damp,
Aunt Mark


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25/04/2014 8:23 pm  

I suppose
That there is a niche for your lamps- possibly a Miami hotel or some other establishment of that ilk. But, please, no visible logos.


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