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saunadog
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18/07/2014 3:44 am  

Thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to ID this table. I'm wondering if it's indeed an authentic Knoll Saarinen table. My apologies for another thread on this topic. Don't want to beat a dead horse and all...

The top is a white laminate with beveled edge. In addition, it has the remnants of a Knoll sticker (but apparently no plaque or other identifying mark). I measured the diameter as 48", but maybe I'll have to remeasure it; as I understand it should be 47.25".

The base is very heavy. I haven't done any magnet test but it would be hard to believe that it's aluminum. The top of the base puzzles me. I know this has been covered in other threads, but it has a "mounting plate" on top, which screws to the underside of the table top. Otherwise, the shape and overall weight lead me to believe that it might be original.

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artsnot
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18/07/2014 5:01 am  

Legit
Looks good to me.


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LuciferSum
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18/07/2014 7:00 am  

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Knoll does use the mounting plates on their Saarinen tables, but every one I have seen has only 3 holes from the mounting plate up into the table top.
Also - Knoll table bases are aluminum at present. I believe most of them have an imprint of the Knoll logo cast into the metal, however, I'm not sure exactly when this practice began.
Not saying your table isn't Knoll, but there are a couple of flags I would double check.


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LuciferSum
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18/07/2014 7:02 am  

But then again
Here's a table on 1st Dibs showing a similar screw configuration, a Knoll label, and "first production cast iron base"
http://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/tables/dining-room-tables/saarinen-knol...


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saunadog
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18/07/2014 7:35 am  

Thanks for you replies...
Thanks for you replies everyone. This forum is awesome.
First, I'll have to check for an imprint on the cast base. Thanks for the link to 1stdibs. The screw pattern looks the same, but the mounting plate on mine definitely looks thicker than the one pictured. Plus, the screws on mine are recessed.
Hopefully this isn't a case where someone put an original top on an imitation base. That would be a bit strange...


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18/07/2014 7:52 am  

I'm usually wrong.
stoopid me. carry on.


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18/07/2014 8:25 am  

Hmm
My understanding (at least for the Tulip chairs) is that the earliest bases were stamped Alcoa, which is/was an aluminum company.


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18/07/2014 8:45 am  

It is real


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18/07/2014 9:02 pm  

my choice
saunadog
After all avenues of product identification (books, catalogs, internet, et cetera) have been exhausted I always contact the manufacturer (or designer) directly for confirmed (either way) results. Failure to reply to emails is "always" followed by direct telephone contact. More times than not "long term" contacts with a wealth of "untapped" knowledge have developed.
This site is good and filled with interesting and intelligent individuals (allowing for the standard deviation rate). The "source" is better.
My mandate is to "find the decision maker".
When you take the action (you have made progress in finding this forum) you will get information, please share this with others (us).
Good luck


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objectworship
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18/07/2014 10:49 pm  

Parenthetically,
(I prefer the existence of a little paint loss/rust to the "restored" state of uniform blah newness.)


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Cloudburst2000
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18/07/2014 11:40 pm  

My Knoll table also has...
My Knoll table also has recessed screws but mine has three screws instead of five. Perhaps your table is simply an earlier model then my table? Look at the base and see what is stamped there. Mine is stamped Knoll.


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19/07/2014 4:38 am  

Only three screws
for a four-foot diameter table seems odd. The base is weighted (I assume the "heavy" aluminum base has an iron weight added) and the table is usually moved by lifting the top. Would the three-screw base be present on a small-diameter top only ? Is the same base used on a variety of top diameters ?
Looking again at the OP's photo, the base seems a bit small for the diameter of the top. Mixing and matching of tops/bases must be an ongoing issue for collectors . . . ?


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saunadog
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19/07/2014 5:13 am  

The table is in the basement...
The table is in the basement of my parent's house. I've yet to get over there to do more investigating but hope to this weekend.
I believe that there are 6 screws holding the table top.
And yes, the base does have a bit of a "patina"!
Thanks again everyone. And niceguy, point well taken.


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saunadog
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20/07/2014 3:18 am  

OK, found out a couple of...
OK, found out a couple of things today.
Had a strong magnet, and it did in fact stick to the base. But from another thread, it appears that early versions of the base were definitely cast iron. So I may be OK there. BUT... there are no markings on the bottom. There are what looks like raised letters or numbers, but they're very hard to read. I didn't think of measuring the height of the base, or weighing it until now. I included some pictures.
The top is indeed 48" across, which probably negates it being original. It does however have the remnants of a Knoll sticker (actually, it originally had the entire sticker but over the past couple of years that it's been stored, most of it fell off). The sticker looks like it's been there for some time. And I did confirm that there are 6 screws.
I found a couple of links advertising Knoll tables, but both with 48" diameter tops (unless they're just rounding it up to the nearest inch?):
http://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/tables/dining-room-tables/vintage-round...
and
http://shop.housingworks.org/lot.cfm?lotID=106342
First photo shows the bottom of the base. Second shows beveled edge of the top. Third shows center hole on the underside of the top.
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