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finch
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04/03/2008 1:20 pm  

We're talking Maybachs,...
We're talking Maybachs, Ferraris, Bentleys, Alpha Romeros, and Maseratis. We're talking houses-plural. And not like, a little cottage up in Maine - how about a house in Aspen, a house in Viterbo, a house on Commonwealth Avenue, and a little place on the Vineyard. (At least thats how it runs down Boston style)
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Let me just insert my Bronx cheer, here. I know it's beside the point, but I found my flesh creeping reading the above.


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barrympls
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04/03/2008 3:34 pm  

Call me silly, but
I don't consider a commercially available leather sofa -of any kind- should be considered a luxury item in that ridiculously high pricing level.
If I was some Hollywood star who bought a too big mansion with a too big living room, I'd probably want something custom made. Now, THAT would likely be worth 20 fricken thousand bucks.
The PK31 sofa is a commercially produced sofa and my point is that Fritz Hansen has put a way-too-high-of-a-price on it.
What a surprise; I emailed "The Republic of Fritz Hansen" and did not get a reply. In their "republic", customer service is apprently not an option...unless you can prove yourself financially worthy of their valuable time.
Not what I would've expected from a Danish company.


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Modern Love
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04/03/2008 6:14 pm  

Koen could you elaborate on:
"The relationship between Poul Kjaerholm and Fritz Hansen was a complicated one and different from the relationship between Fritz Hansen and the Kjaerholm family. There are several reasons why they did not even consider producing any of them before his unexpected and tragic death.......The switch from Christensen to Hansen could have been made during Kjaerholm's lifetime...as I said, it is more complicated than one would expect."
What were those reasons? Was it related to some kind of loyalty to his friend Ejvid? Very intriguing this story of Kjaerholm, Christiansen, and FH....


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LuciferSum
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04/03/2008 10:18 pm  

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Finch, I didnt say I lived like that. Having all that money would be way too much work, and embarrassing to boot! Heck, last time someone gave me a $100 bill I carried it around for months because I didnt want to be "that guy" trying to break a hundred for a pack of gum or a cup of coffee.
Barry, knowing that the Egg & Swan chairs are hand stitched, and still come in at under 10K I'd say the couch is probably assembled and stitched by hand, putting it into the league of a Ferarri or a Lamborghini: production cars that are assembled by hand. You should do some more research into luxury as commodity, its pretty fascinating, altho much of the excess makes me want to weep. I dont pretend to justify it - but I think your argument is flawed in that you are comparing items in a high-end market with item in a luxury market. Example: You and I can buy a pair of somewhat expensive dress shoes for 2-300$, a high end dress shoe like Prada would run you about $500 - something you or I would probably consider a splurge. However, a hand cobbled pair of John Lobb dress shoes - which take almost a year from first measuring to finished product, will set you back $3500. It's true - they are individually made, but when you get into larger goods it simply isnt possible to make things entirely by hand.
http://www.johnlobbltd.co.uk/main/main.htm


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HPau
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04/03/2008 11:44 pm  

I doubt very much the PK leat...
I doubt very much the PK leather is stitched by hand, why would they? Assembly of the sofa would take 45 minutes, tops.
The Egg has to be, if it could be stitched by machine it would be.


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Modern Love
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04/03/2008 11:48 pm  

It's like
Carol Christian Poell.
Exclusivity.
Ultra-niche.


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HPau
 HPau
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04/03/2008 11:58 pm  

Carol Christian...
Carol Christian Poell...
funny how the exclusivity of a product is so often inversely proportional to the ease of navigating the website.


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peter osullivan
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05/03/2008 12:41 am  

looks great here, that...
looks great here, that leather is awesome!
House story below, pinched from Lotta Living forum 🙂
http://www.latimes.com/features/home/la-hm-fox28feb28,0,1086462.story


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LuciferSum
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05/03/2008 1:05 am  

I know
I know when I spend 30k on a sofa the first thing I'm going to do is cover it with a Navajo blanket. And those are the most unfortunate dogs I have ever seen.


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HPau
 HPau
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05/03/2008 1:07 am  

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off topic, but its such a common thing now to have this omnipresent spectacular kitchen on display in the living room, why? The cooking smells, the mess!
The free plan is taken too far, I've lived in both styles of house and there is something to be said for the small English house divided into smaller rooms, privacy for one and being able to divide your life up without constantly having to transform the dining table into a desk back and forth, back and forth.
Its okay for single person households but for a family Wright and Mies got it right the first time.
http://www.patternlanguage.com/


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finch
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05/03/2008 2:55 am  

It's a really nice place...
It's a really nice place filled with nice stuff, to be sure, but it doesn't look like a home to me. I see a place like this, and it says to me, I can finally afford everything I've always wanted. Maybe too much city slick and not enough Tom Waits.
I used to think the leather on those sofas was a little too raisin-like, but I've really come around to it over the years.


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LRF
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05/03/2008 4:06 am  

LuciferSum
I wear John Loeb shoes and have for years, they are very expensive and i do buy them at Niemans twice a year on sale they are owned by Hermes,
I also wear Briony Kiton and oxxford sport coats and suits, both from Niemans also buying twice a year,
If you like great clothes ans great stuff you can figure out a way to own them,
All the furniture that i
bought in the last 4 years has been on ebay and I had my company Retro Redo redo them all as that is what put me in that business , I fiqured I spent 50,000 dollars, on every thing but I have over two hundred thousand dollars worth of furniture at current prices, and all original vintage stuff so that makes me happy and haveing the extra bucks in the bank account feels good rather then Fritz Hansens account,.
I will say what Lucifersum said about hand sewing, IT IS A NIGHMARE to do!,
We have done so many chairs other than the ones I own and most all have to be hand sew every time,
Every time I go to the shop to see one that has to be hand sewn I hold my breath and hope that it turns out great cause of the difficulty in doing them, so if Fritz Hansen charges the big bucks cause of that,
I for one can understand the cost, I guess any thing after that i can work backwords to get the correct price,
Some one said you get what you pay for and that is the truest damn statement ever uttered .
Whether John Loeb shoes,(they feel great by the way, and are hand sewn ) to a fritz hansen chair,
Now the challenge is to figure out how you can get them with out breaking the children's milk fund.


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barrympls
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05/03/2008 4:34 am  

Personally
I wear Birkenstock's/


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HPau
 HPau
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05/03/2008 5:17 am  

one step down from you Barry,...
one step down from you Barry, I go barefoot, the matrons in the supermarket don't like it too much 🙂
LRF, I know from working on both sides of the fence (making from scatch in a batch and restoring vintage) that making from scratch is usually cheaper than working backwards, its an incredibly inefficient use of labour making fiddly minor repairs and ordering small lengths of fabric and running halfway across town to get 4 bloody screws (I'm sure you know what I mean).
FH would make batches of those sofas I'm sure and would have components of bent steel already polished and drilled all set to go, if they re-tooled for every sofa then I could understand the price, but they don't.


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Cloudburst2000
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05/03/2008 5:35 am  

meh...I don't even like the...
meh...I don't even like the sofa that much. It's a bit too angular for my tastes.
And I wear whatever shoes are the most comfortable. It seems with women's shoes that the more expensive they are...the more uncomfortable they get. Trendy women's shoes always cost big bucks but are rarely comfortable. The most comfortable shoes I've ever owned are my $90 Pumas.


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