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07/06/2009 10:52 am  

My parents have a 1205 3-seater and two 1205 1-seaters, supposedly Florence Knoll originals. However, I can't find much online to confirm that Knoll ever really sold these without arms and so I am suspect of their originality. Can anyone confirm, did they make armless versions of this?


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07/06/2009 11:15 am  

Not to my knowledge
While other Florence Knoll sofa/ chair designs were offered with and without arms, I have never seen that form without arms. I doubt it as well because while other Knoll sofa designs have the legs set even with the body of the sofa (the arms extending beyond) the 1205 sofa has the legs set out at the very outside corners, even with the outside of the arms.
That is not to say that it would be impossible, only that the base would have to be shortened to the length of the body if you removed the arms. It could be done, and may have been special ordered that way, but I have never seen one.
Have any photos?


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07/06/2009 12:20 pm  

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Here's a link to a photo. These have been recovered at least twice, so ignore the specifics of the fabric.
I did find some on some vintage auction sites, but I have no idea how careful those sites are in verification anyway.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/sR25BYzFS0aWTWTVzgoqeQ?feat=directlink


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07/06/2009 12:30 pm  

Well, there you go
That's a different animal all together. That is not the 1205. They are model 65 lounge chairs and model 67 sofa. Different design. It has a different base with angled legs and shallow box tufting, not the deep button tufting. They are real. I should have asked why you did not believe your parents in the first place.
Nice pieces.


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07/06/2009 12:36 pm  

Wow, that was quick. I am...
Wow, that was quick. I am surprised it is a model all together. I have not heard of this 66 and 67 models before. I don't see anything about it on google. Got any links? How can you tell they are real from the pic? Are they also designed by Florence Knoll?


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07/06/2009 12:44 pm  

Yeah, well...
I don't know what I am doing up this late, sitting in front of the computer on a Saturday night.
Anyway, I know the design. It's also in the Knoll book by Schiffer. Here is a link to one on 1stDibs. It is a two-seater with arms, but it is the same form. And the price, well, its a 1stDibs price.
http://1stdibs.com/furniture_item_detail.php?id=223240


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07/06/2009 12:45 pm  

D'oh!
Sorry. Re-post.
I bet I'm the only one who consistently goes back and edits their posts. I always catch some dumb typo that I'm too embarrassed to leave up, or puts the link in the photo box. Whatever. It's time for me to call it a night.


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07/06/2009 8:16 pm  

End User, Florence Knoll
designed a bunch of sofas that on the surface look alot alike, so if you're interested, you should really consider buying the Schiffer Knoll books.
There's two:
"Knoll Furniture 1938-1960"
by Steven and Linda Rouland
and
"Knoll - Home & Office Furniture"
by Nancy N. Schiffer
both available from Schiffer Books (easily found on Amazon and often are being sold on eBay too.
When I started buying furniture for my home, I found it very helpful to invest in books with illustrations and information.
Check 'em out.


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07/06/2009 9:58 pm  

Thanks for the info! My...
Thanks for the info! My parents are getting rid of these, would they be worth shipping across the country? It would probably cost quite a bit to have them crated and shipped.


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07/06/2009 10:09 pm  

Where are you and where are they?
Assuming you like 'em (they're beautiful!) it's worthwhile getting them shipped blanket wrapped (i.e. the shipper picks them up and wraps them in a soft blanket and handles them appropriately from house to house without them having to be boxed or crated.
I'd use Plycon. I've had good luck with them (they shipped my sofa from Cincinnati to Minneapolis and my old 1920's floor model phonograph from Denver to Minneapolis without damage....)


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08/06/2009 1:28 am  

East cost to West Coast
They also have Knoll Saarinen #71 w/arms and walnut legs and a set of Richard Schultz outdoor furniture (two lounges, 3 chairs and a table with yellow enamel top).
There are some foot stools/ottomans in cream leather that I cannot identify, I don't think they are anything special, but please take a look maybe you would recognize them.
I updated the web-album with more photos of most of the items.
It's pretty much all the way across the country, from East to West. I have been looking at using LTL-freight carriers. Even FedEx and UPS can ship stuff like this if it is palatalized. The trick is how difficult/expensive will it be to get someone to put it on a pallet.
I want to ship it all, but I am scared of the pad-wrap shippers because they tend to mix up your stuff with other people's, and if there are too many stops along the way they could unload and reload stuff a bunch of times. Thoughts?
http://picasaweb.google.com/EndUser99/Knoll?feat=directlink


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08/06/2009 7:51 pm  

They're pretty in blue too...
We were lucky enough to find a pair of the same chairs recently. They were completely destroyed and we just finished getting them restored. I think they turned out great!


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08/06/2009 8:20 pm  

Jesus
Your folks had some good taste. WHy the hell would they part with it?
For that amount of good stuff, I would drive from coast to coast with a trailer..... that's me. I'd get ALL of it. The Schultz stuff it out of sight!


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08/06/2009 9:18 pm  

The Blue Rocks!
Wow, that blue looks fantastic. Did you use an upholsterer that knows mid-century mod well? Did you use a Knoll fabric? I might re-do that Saarinin chair in a blue like that.
Regarding the Schultz stuff, the mesh is way beat up on the chaise --- needs to be replaced. I looked on the Schultz price list and the cost for replacements is like 70% of a freaking new chase. Anyone know how to refinish them on the cheap?


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08/06/2009 10:51 pm  

There's an excellent reupolsterer
here in Minneapolis that could tacke the Knoll pieces with absolutely perfection.
Regarding those Schultz slings; they can't be fixed; only replaced. I know...I have two spent white slings with dull brown sides in my garage that cannot be repaired....and I bought 'new' chairs from Richard Schultz directly from their basement sale for less than replacement slings would've cost!


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