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mcmdoug
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20/05/2017 9:59 pm  

Hi,

I got this papa bear chair recently.

Chair has been recovered.

I believe this is real one but I only found number "27".

Please help me if you know anything about this chair.

Thank you so much!
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cdsilva
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20/05/2017 11:59 pm  

The first piece of advice would be to post more photos that show a lot more of the chair than the three you initially posted.

Two good clues are the shape of the underside of seat framing, and the wedged tenon joint for the tops of the front legs, which should be visible if you pull back the upholstery on the top side.

There are people here who have reupholstered Papa Bear chairs, and may recognize the dowel connection detail for the paws.


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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21/05/2017 3:37 am  

Those detail photos you posted look 100% correct so far. Some more photos of the entire chair would be helpful.


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mcmdoug
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21/05/2017 3:48 am  

Thank you for your advice Cdsilva and Leif

When I posted this one, some reason other pictures didn't upload.

Please check other pics too. and will post more later.

Thank you again.


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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21/05/2017 5:16 am  

Still looks right. I believe it has been re-upholstered. The paws are not supposed to be glued on; there is supposed to be a bit of muslin to tighten the dowel fit. And I am guessing this chair is from before the DFC medallion, but the upholstery is stapled on, but it definitely would have been nailed on from that period.


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mcmdoug
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21/05/2017 5:37 am  

Thanks again Leif.

It is definetly recovered and i took some staples out and can see marks of old nails used for old upholstery.

Another side of paw has muslins for tighten the fit.

For me it looks very much authentic but how come there is no AP stolen rectangle ink stamp?

Thank you.


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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21/05/2017 6:43 am  

The Danes just were not big on marking stuff. AP Stolen seems to have marked stuff sometimes. So there may never have been a mark.

Also, ink stamps are very susceptible to sunlight. They can fade and completely disappear. A few weeks behind the glass in a window will completely remove a stamp from paper. Sixty years is a lot of time.

The question of how well the chair was re-upholstered is far more important than the mark.


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mcmdoug
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21/05/2017 7:53 am  

Thank you very much Leif. Your answer sounds very right!

Will post whole chair pictures soon. Please let me know how you think 😀

Thanks again! You are the best!!! 🙂


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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21/05/2017 2:02 pm  

The fact that the '27' ink stamp is still there suggest that AP Stolen simply did not mark this chair. This only seems strange and suspicious in the context of other cultures than Danish furniture makers of the era. Many of them did not mark their product much or at all.

The other makers in Wegner's Salesco group were amongst the most consistent for marking product, but not AP Stolen.


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