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Kyle Barrett
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31/03/2017 12:52 am  

Here's the first coat of linseed oil! Sorry, as you can see my camera on my phone is pretty terrible - but you get the idea.

http://imgur.com/a/HMyH8


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Ernest Rams
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05/04/2017 1:32 pm  

Very nice, for being teak I agree it has a very particular grain!


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Kyle Barrett
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07/04/2017 3:46 am  

It's a weird old grain that's for sure!

Having had 4 coats on it now, I am feeling that I want to do more than just wax it. Thinking shellac again, but I am not sure.


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08/04/2017 4:29 pm  

Kyle,

If you plan to shellac, you are going to want to wait a while. BLO requires exposure to the air for the polymerization reaction to occur, and it is not a rapid reaction. I have heard different numbers for cure time, but most average in the weeks to months for a full cure. This is one of the reasons most store bought oil blends have some sort of drying agent mixed in (along with the boiled linseed, mineral spirits and varnish).

Since shellac is a sealer, it will seal the oil off from the oxygen, and prevent any further curing. Clearly this is not a recipe for good results. You might not see issue right away, but months or years down the road the finish will likely fail.


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Kyle Barrett
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14/04/2017 12:28 am  

Sounds good, I tried another coat yesterday and found some sticky spots I missed when wiping down where the armrests join the back 🙁

But long story short I sorted that issue, and I think I need to start spacing the application out by a month, not a week. I don't know when you hit saturation point, but it feels like I am there at the moment.

Used a different camera phone to avoid the Xperia Z3C 'soft skin' filter that has been dogging my other pictures.

http://imgur.com/a/dD7FS


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Kyle Barrett
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16/08/2017 12:25 pm  

This has been comfortably sat in my room for months now, and I am bored of the tired looking upholstery. I got a quote for a weaver to cord it, but also asked him about the flat cord that I have seen classically on 57 and 77 chairs by JLM. He said that this flat cord doesn't exist anymore, the last time he used it was 20 years ago.

I am sure he is correct, but on the off chance, does anyone know of a company still producing it?

Additionally would this look okay in the more traditional paper cord?


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16/08/2017 3:32 pm  

not sure about the flat cord, that would be a question for Spanky, but in my experience traditional Danish Cord looks fine on the M


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16/08/2017 8:58 pm  

I don't know no flat cord. Sorry!

I second Leif's suggestion that you look into learning to weave them yourself. Someone else on this board, can't remember who now, posted about considering doing this and was wondering whether to buy a kit for doing it, I think--or was it just too hard to do. That turned into a really great ongoing discussion about weaving Danish cord that grew into three 100+posts threads. Beginners were churning out seats by the set! It was a very exciting time! (really, there was some impressive stuff going on.)

If you start out knowing a few tricks (see aforementioned threads), it's much easier. I think the cord is more expensive in the UK but you will still save $$$, or I guess


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16/08/2017 9:14 pm  

I might have been the one that started that conversation, as I learned to weave a a couple years ago, thanks to the direction I received on this forum, mainly from Spanky and her blog. Thanks again by the way. I started with a yugo folding chair, which still is not entirely complete, and went on to various dinning chairs. It is not at all difficult once you have it down, just time consuming.

Check out this site, and somewhere in there is a discussion of weaving (it an awesome site, the blogger is a kick-ass re-finisher): http://www.modernchairrestoration.com

This is where to start with the actual weaving: http://www.thomaspenrose.com/diy_cord06.htm

and as Spanky said, search this site, there are numerous threads on the topic.


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16/08/2017 9:56 pm  

Thanks guys

I feel horrible passing up the opportunity to give it a go myself.

I have done really well with my DIY approach so far, there's so many great sources of information on the internet, combined with finding less important pieces to practice on initially and doing eveything to the (best advised) letter. Everything I've put my hand to has come out just as I had hoped.

But something about hammering nails into the chair feels like it's asking for trouble and then even more intimidating is handling textiles. I was fine at woodwork in school, but textiles are so fiddly and I don't feel anywhere near as confident in them.

Maybe I need to buy a chair to reweave first to test it and then I could think about it. But in fairness it is only


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17/08/2017 12:44 am  

Are you talking about the flat wool tape, maybe? That is no longer made. There was another product that was flat and i think about 1/4" wide or so, maybe narrower, and each strand had 5 lengthwise ridges in it. It looked like 5 tiny diameter cords bonded together. I think it was molded paper but I'm not sure.

Zephyr, it was tchp who was thinking about getting a kit but then just got some cord and plunged in. His first chair looks perfect. Then he did the rest of his set and they all looked perfect, too.

https://www.designaddict.com/forum/Repair/Replacing-Cord-Danish-Side-Chairs

(that's the first thread in the series; the others are linked at the end of the thread.)

For people new to the whole thing---it's important to each of the three threads all the way through! Some of the advice given (like from me!) is now dated. Sources change, prices certainly change, and I know that my methods and tricks have evolved quite a bit in the 8 years since that conversation started. I'm sure others' have too.


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17/08/2017 12:46 am  

Hammering L-nails into the frame is covered, too. It's nothing to worry about. The nail placement is easy to calculate, then you just measure, mark, pre-drill, and tap each nail in.


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Kyle Barrett
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17/08/2017 1:01 am  

I found and attached some pictures and it almost certainly is flat wool!

How disappointing it's not made anymore. I was all prepared to believe the corder, but I thought it seemed a bit far fetched that a presumably multi-functional product like that would be discontinued en masse. So I started to consider he might just be saying that to avoid sourcing some.

Between my course, work and a social life I don't know how I manage to get anything done, but I always do, so I can't use time as an excuse.

Oh lord, you guys! I guess I am going to do it myself then, huh? Better get reading...


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17/08/2017 2:20 am  

Yes, that's the wool tape. It came in a bunch of beautiful colors! Someone here posted an old magazine ad showing a group of the same model chair, each one with a different color tape.

I don't think it held up to wear as well as the paper cord does, if that's any consolation.


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