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whitespike
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15/04/2011 8:35 am  

You guys were so helpful in helping me decide on a credenza (I still owe you a photo in its new locale), that I thought I may discuss tables as well.

I have never had the good fortune of having a nice dinner table. And with the way things are going, it doesn't seem likely that I will be purchasing one any time soon. And besides the economical challenges I have, finding one to suit my needs at any price has been a challenge.

After a couple more projects of mine are complete, including building a playscape and a fence around my property, I am thinking about getting a table built locally.

My needs:

1. White in color: Being that we have a white/concrete home we have filled it to the gills with wooden furniture. I need an eye break from it. I am thinking white laminate.

2. Very airy in appearance: We live in just over 1200 sq ft and have an eat in kitchen. It needs to be large anough fro my six DCMs, but airy enough not to crowd the room visually. Desired dimensions are around 72" x 36"

3. No sharp edges: I am watching out for my son's head here. So I am thinking either a rectangle with slightly rounded edges (think eames tables), an ellipse (think oval Saarinen), or a very rounded rectangle (think Piet Hein Superellipse).

You know how the Saarinen tables bevel on the edges? Is that all that it is called? I am wondering how to make this style clear to the builder. I think it adds a very nice touch. And when doing this what would be the best material and why? Ply? MDF? Should I expose the ply? Or paint the bevel on the underside white a la Saarinen?

Also, while I don't want to build a 'knock-off' the legs I have found that I like are a bit like Piet Hein's table (link below). What do you think of these? What other legs should I consider? I like how airy these are and they will match the chrome legs of my DCMs.

The last thing I am worried about is adding these legs to the 72" x 36" top. Would it need some additional support? How thick should the top be with these legs?

Sorry for all the questions. But it just goes to show how complicated a relatively simple design can be. I often hear: "That table costs $XXX! I could build that myself?!!!" But you pay for the design itself. For the right proportions.

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100564477/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053


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15/04/2011 9:26 pm  

When did we start
making the world "child-safe" ? Are we going to arrive at a place where a child will grow to adulthood without ever breaking skin ? "Mom, what's this red stuff coming out of me ?"
How old is a 30-inch tall child -- four, five ? If they aren't walking in a straight line by then, you've got bigger problems. How do kids learn not to bump into things ? By bumping into things -- same way they learn not to fall.
The world has raised thousands of generations of children in an environment of square-edged furniture, up to now. I don't think Saarinen was thinking of the wee ones when he did his elliptical and round tables.
One way to get a space-saving, airy look is by cantilevering a table from a central pedestal -- a la Saarinen. You could make a panel base with a central panel running lengthwise, and four cross-panels extending out where they'd fall between seating positions. These could be plywood painted white. They would easily support a white-laminated top -- which (especially if you want a beveled edge) could be made at a cabinet shop.
If combining a beveled edge and curved corners, the edge won't be a laminate edgeband, but a routed and/or sanded wood edge, painted.
Four legs out at the corners of a 2/4" plywood panel won't support it without sagging in the middle. But the addition of a couple of 2x3s under the top will keep it straight. Be sure that the back of the panel gets laminated too, to minimize gross warping.


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whitespike
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15/04/2011 9:33 pm  

SDR, with all due respect
How I manage and protect my kid is a very personal thing. Do you have children? No offense meant, but if you did you would probably understand that questioning a parent in this manner is as inviting as religion or politics at a party.
He is walking a straight line, but 2 year old little boys are all kinetic energy and have accidents all the time. The proof is his missing front tooth! As it stands he constantly looks as if I toss him about carelessly. If I am designing something from scratch, wouldn't it make sense to hold that into consideration? Why not? I mean he is the most important thing to me period, so he is my every thought. Including design.
That being said, please offer your wisdom (as you have quite a bit). You're not usually one to derail a thread. Particularly one about actual design. DOn't you have anything constructive to offer (besides "constructive" criticism)?


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15/04/2011 9:43 pm  

I'm sorry, but
I stand by what I said. The combination of "the entitled generation" and "the faultless world" -- in combination with serious under-education -- is bringing on a very peculiar new type of citizen, I fear. I'm old enough to have seen the change. Did you grow up in a 'soft" world ? Ask your parents. Believe me, this is a new phenomenon . . . perhaps encouraged by a general sense of danger fostered by the restless "news" media.
Your reaction shows me that you're maybe a little conflicted about the matter yourself ? I apologize for upsetting you.


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whitespike
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15/04/2011 9:49 pm  

You are upsetting me
Mainly because you usually act very intelligently, and now you are derailing my thread and questioning my parenting. Basically you sound like an old, bitter fart who's unsettled by the changing times. I don't care that you used to walk 30 miles in the snow to get to school or had sharp corned tables. IT'S MY WORLD NOW (just kidding, of course)! Either way please stay on topic. Or start your own thread about dumb, young parents.
You guys also used to drink from different fountains than blacks and laid your children face down to sleep. Your age doesn't grant you magic wisdom or the right to question mine.
And remember the "entitled generation" was raised by YOUR generation.
Tables anyone?


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15/04/2011 9:59 pm  

You could make the argument that SDR sounded like an old fart
(just as he could accuse you of sounding like a young fart), but SDR's comment doesn't strike me as being off-topic, considering your stated needs, Whitespike.
Old fart maybe; off-topic thread derailer, no.


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15/04/2011 10:07 pm  

Really WHC?
So me asking very specific questions about table design (reread) and changing the topic to the "entitled generation" is not a topic derailer? I didn't not ask to have my mind changed to a sharp cornered table, or have it changed as to how I raise my kid. I know what I want. I am simply asking how to get it. And you are only feeding into it by defending the stance. If you cannot answer the questions asked specifically, I would respectfully ask that you start your own thread. I am actually looking for information here.
And no, my parents DID NOT change their decor to fit my carelessness. But they also raised me in a religious cult. To each his own. No one is perfect, and I doubt my son will become a timid recluse because he didn't gouge his noggin enough. Perhaps you gouged yours too much?
Anything not answering the questions is a derail. I do not wish to argue about this further. I am just looking for info. If you are kind enough to offer your wisdom on the subject, I am indebted and grateful. If not, please gracefully and respectfully move along to the next thread.


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15/04/2011 10:27 pm  

Design is about fulfilling requirements.
So how can design be discussed intelligently without discussing requirements? Apparently, SDR didn't consider requirement #3 too sacred a subject to talk about, but you do. Understood.


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15/04/2011 11:24 pm  

Honestly, spike...
A dining table shouldn't be such a worry safety wise. I don't think they're trying to be crass. A glass top coffee table is one thing. But you really needn't worry so about the dining slab.


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whitespike
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15/04/2011 11:37 pm  

Again
I'm not interested in changing my mind. Thanks.
And again. If you can't answer the original questions please refrain from commenting. This so far has been of no help to me.
I do not want a table with sharp corners. Period.Even regardless of the safety (non)issue. I just don't want that. It is not in the program. Kid or no kid. Thanks.


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whitespike
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15/04/2011 11:42 pm  

WHC
"So how can design be discussed intelligently without discussing requirements? "
It's like this. Pretend I am the client and you are the architect, which I am not I understand. Okay, so for WHATEVER reason I do not want two stories. You think it would better serve me. But I don't care. I don't want it regardless. It isn't your job to convince me. It's your job to build what I want.
If I do not want an item, regardless of why or how you feel about it, discussion about it is not intelligent. It's a waste of time because I am the buyer and the end user.
I never opened the discussion to discuss the validity of my requirement. I just asked about certain aspects to attain what I am looking for.
I hope that makes sense.
Now, can anyone answer anything above?
If not, Patrick and Alix, I am sorry for starting this train wreck. Feel more than free to delete this thread as it is of no use to me.


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16/04/2011 12:06 am  

I'm not sure if I'm welcome to actually respond
since you seem to have strict ideas on correct vs incorrect subject matter, like I'd be further tainting your table thread.
It's just pixels on a screen, why can't opinions be expressed? Ignore what you want to ignore, respond to what you want to respond to. As for this thread's usefulness to you thus far-- you might just actually find it useful upon reflection.


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whitespike
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16/04/2011 12:12 am  

Ok
I give up. Just keep talking about everything but my table. It's what I secretly wanted.
Believe, me you are MORE than welcome to respond to my actual questions. This thread should have been a simple thread based on the technicalities of building a table rather than the hidden social aspects behind my requirements for a table.


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16/04/2011 12:26 am  

(self-deleted, upon reflection, due to unnecessary snarkiness)


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16/04/2011 1:04 am  

Now that we're past
that -- I hope -- readers will find that I addressed whitespike's stated problems in my first post. Perhaps discussion could resume from that point ? Or not -- doesn't matter to me.


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