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Gustavo
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30/11/2008 3:18 pm  

Without Tits There Is No Paradise (Sin Tetas No Hay Paraíso)
Is the title of a famous Colombian telenovela/soap opera.
The story is based on a young girl, Catalina, who becomes obsessed with getting breast implants in order to overcome poverty. Catalina decides to become a "prepago" (prepaid), a prostitute who has sex with drug traffickers in exchange for gifts, money and social status.
The story is based on real-life conditions.
And had the idea to become aware on the subject.
Here in Argentina, began our version one month ago. There is an American version that is/isn't under production. (some places say is and others isn't yet)
It's really a problem for young girls.
Some discos/night clubs raffles(lot) a free surgery with the entrance-ticket.
Other girls chooses as the perfect gift for 15-18 birthday.
(?)
Wouldn't work better a brain plastic surgery?
Translation note: It seems there are many version now. The original is "Without Tits There Is No Paradise", are others newer "Without breasts There Is No Paradise" as the American, but "tits" contrast better with paradise.
Original presentation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUdu5V4VtH0&feature=related


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azurechicken (USA)
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01/12/2008 3:30 am  

.....PLASTIC..... SURGERY... IS .....DESIGN.....
I think to seek "perfection" an unmarred body (scar free, tat free,no odd holes,even/symetric) is understandable...


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Lunchbox
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01/12/2008 5:51 am  

If it's design...
To which designer would you attribute tits, azure?


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Brent
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01/12/2008 5:46 pm  

Body design
Please name a body that *isn't* the product of design. By diet and exercise, all of our bodies are designed (for better or for worse).


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azurechicken (USA)
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01/12/2008 7:12 pm  

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Dearest Lunch Box.Natural teats are not design,when humans alter them(plasic surgery) it IS design.Many times you see an egg cited as an example of great design...being an eggspert...I can tell you,eggs are a natural product...


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Tulipman
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01/12/2008 9:10 pm  

nice pair of Nelson orb shaped bubble lamps
That's what they remind me of...:-)


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Lunchbox
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01/12/2008 9:25 pm  

azure azure azure...
So emulation is design then? All a plastic surgeon is doing is making this pair look like that pair. Design you say?


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Brent
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01/12/2008 11:12 pm  

Really...
My question wasn't rhetorical. Can anyone name a human body that isn't the product of design?
Even without surgery, tats or piercings, the body is partly designed through actions. Some of us here go to gyms to sculpt our bodies closer toward our aesthetic ideals. Some of us eat junk food and never exercise until we're obese. Consciously or not, we design these bodies.
Perhaps the only bodies not designed are the bodies of infants. But as soon as they are able to make choices, they are engaged in body design.


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Sound & Design
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02/12/2008 4:23 am  

When using design in the...
When using design in the context that Azure and Brent are using... I interpret it as meaning everything is design like everything is art.
Where are the boundaries? Should there there be any?


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whitespike
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02/12/2008 8:14 am  

Yes, there should be a...
Yes, there should be a limit. Physical design (aesthetics) can mistakenly be given too much importance. In this instance, the design of the human body becomes more important than the reasons WHY the women in question want to redesign their bodies. The redesign process is dealing with the symptoms rather than the problem itself. The problem being that the woman has an issue with herself; the symptom being that she is unsatisfied and wants to change. Rather than satisfy her physical need for change, a proper redesign would challenge the emotional and psychological reasons that she feels like she is less valuable than she is.


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Brent
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02/12/2008 9:01 am  

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Well, let's be careful not to pathologize all body redesign. When I get my hair cut, that's body redesign too. And even if I had serious cosmetic surgery, it could well be an assertion of my aesthetic freedom, not neurosis.


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whitespike
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02/12/2008 5:12 pm  

Brent
I agree with you. I try to be careful with making blanket statements. My apologies for not being clear. I should have said that cosmetic surgery can often be a result of someone not being at peace with the way they are. Thanks for pointing that out. Of course there are exceptions to every rule. I am sure many of us here consider ourselves to be exceptional.


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Lunchbox
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02/12/2008 9:10 pm  

So...
plastic surgeons = Philippe Starck & brain surgeons = Charles Eames?


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glassartist
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02/12/2008 10:54 pm  

It seems azurechicken and...
It seems azurechicken and lunchbox are on two different wavelengths here. My read is that AC is working from a straight definition of design without approval or dissapproval, while LB seems to take design as a good thing (non neutral) so is chafing at something (s)he doesn't like being called design. I feel cosmetic surgery is most definitely design, And good or bad are separate issues. In this casde; Design? yes. Good? Not in my opinion, but hey, They're not mine so who am I too say without knowing all the specifics? I do however, know cases of reduction that are absolutely good design.
If I have read either of you wrong, by all means let me know.


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Brent
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02/12/2008 11:01 pm  

Whitespike
I didn't at all think you were indicting everyone who gets cosmetic surgery. I only wanted to to bring to our attention the tendency to pathologize cosmetic surgery, especially breast enlargement.


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