So, Antonio, you now admit
that your dollar amounts actually have no basis other than your personal out-of-pocket expenses? If so, it's probably not the best idea to advertise it.
You seem like a good kid. I'll bet that if you really think about what folks have offered here, you'll learn something more important than what's involved in fabricating replicas.
Deficato...
If you can't see how referring the "bite size" table's supposedly ridiculous price is disrespectful I can't make you see it. And furthermore, it's indicative of your outlook. You say you're studying to be a designer yet you display no appreciation or understanding for design with such a statement. And of course respect doesn't even enter the equation in this entire endeavor. Only self interest and a bizarre attempt at arrogance.
Damn, I apparently missed one...
But aside from the creatively frustrated remarks, I do think there is a lot of truth to what Lunchbox is saying. And tktoo's last sentence (one post earlier) is right on the money also.
It's about careful observation and respect for a design (and what IS design) and also about a lot more than speed of fabrication and tricks of the trade.
I assure you, the longer the conversation goes, people around here can smell it when something's a little off.
From what I have seen so far, I have to agree that there is a lot you can learn here. And it is nothing to do with how fast you can crank something out. There are plenty here who will help raise your level of inquiry.
I made the table not because...
I Made the table not because I could crank them out but because I wanted one. I have a vision of what I wanted my living space to be. Not everyone has the income to go to Herman miller, room and board or what ever and drop the money. I know that comment is gonna stir the pot but isn't design for enriching ones life? But my budget is limited as I am just starting out with my career and life. Every real eames piece I have found wheather it is my armshell, DCM or side shells, I have found at next to nothing as they were bottom of the barrel peices and I have put work into them as they required and because I enjoy doing so
I wasn't trying to insult the zen ideology of the table by calling it bite size. But in my opinion (something that everyone has a right to there own and also derived From my industry exposure) The table is made from minimum materials Which cost me 10$ and prob Herman miller Under 5$. Even after tooling cost and finishs and man power for herman miller the table might cost 25 per unit to manufacture. especially since the item has been in production for over 50 years And 99% of them time manufacturing quantity lowers cost of said item. That's were me putting out the price point of 60-75$ for the item came from, especially if people are having multiples of the item Like objectW
That why IKEA has done so well beside the apperence. When they have had the same item being made they are constantly revising manufacturing and steps but the item remains visibly the same. and prices wi come down a few dollars here and there.
A DCM in 1950 was 25$. That after inflation to account for today's money brings it in the 200-300 range. And I am sure the eames work with Herman miller to come to that price point. But now they are 700-900$ really come on.... In my eyes the eames would be insulted at what Herman miller has done to their products that where designed for affordability
I think most here will
agree with what you are saying.
I for one was impressed by the speed at which you work. So perhaps the downside of me noticing that aspect was that it made me feel that the refinement of the piece could get more attention, relatively speaking.
Nobody is trying to bar anybody from access to good design! As others have said earlier, affordable access to good design was a big part of the Eames philosophy.
And most of my best stuff was found very cheap, at thrift stores and flea markets, and very long ago, as I could not have afforded it at todays prices either.
Sorry if my post came off as condescending. I know its no fun to feel misunderstood. Words often mislead when you can't hear the TONE.
edit: just saw the rest of your post, thank you. As Mark says, welcome to our (dysfunctional) family. What family isn't?
How about some art for now...
How about some art mark since I know you like art seeing your post for things acquired. 3 min figure study
Eameshead. Your lucky to have Started and found a lot of stuff years ago. It seems now Everything is crazy inflated.
That dam show MADMEN (jk, I've never watched that show tho)
yeah it was like
shooting fish in a barrel to find mid century stuff back in the late 80s. I was so new at it that I probably missed a lot back then. The two storage units were found as a pair in a local Goodwill, covered in a 1980's paint job of grey paint. (Everything in the 80s was grey) The grey paint was probably the only reason they were overlooked long enough for me to nab em. But it preserved the finish in many ways.
I used to hit the flea pre dawn every Sunday in summer. I have to drive longer to get to one now, so Im getting lazy.
Nice sketch for only three minutes! Very solid proportions. Looks like you have had several semesters experience. (I could tell you knew how to draw just from the exquisite Lunchbox drawing)
Please don't ever do one of me, I won't get over it. Seriously, I can dish it out, but I can't take it! I think Mark needs a portrait though. Or maybe Sofia.
I'd like a portrait of myself dressed as a crazed circus clown.
Nicely done 3 minute sketch, you obviously have a gift (one that I don't possess). But if I may offer a word or two..I would have much more respect for your knock-off table, had your intentions were to make a couple for your own use. Yet, I'm under the impression that you intend to take your table into some sort of mass production...because things are slow at work...and the materials are readily available. I've had high level positions in the Manufacturing Industry, and as a director, I'd certainly be re-evaluating your position with the company. I have enjoyed this thread for many reasons...mostly seeing how true addicts react to such plagerism. I am intrigued by something that my friend EamesHead mentioned on the (Eames) version being a table cleverly simplified and pure. Plus I'd never thought of pairing several together...I like that idea.
Bottom line homey. You're not in China. Regroup.
Aunt Mark
I wasn't gonna sell them from...
I wasn't gonna sell them from the get go. I had stated that from the beginning. Jigs and such are still required for a small quantity so they don't end up wobbling or lopsided. Consistency
My end goal was to have 2-3 ltr tables and a elliptical table. That's a minimum of 4 wire bases to make and the first one I am not gonna use since I the diagonal braces are to thick.
Sometimes its slow day and we have freetime, sometimes I stay late to do my own stuff but I do my job to the fullest and do what is needed whether asked or not and also my do my freelance from home. If anyone was at neocon last year, you prob saw some freelance I did
Busy hands are better than idle hands.
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