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evilchevy666
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24/07/2014 4:28 pm  

I just bought a set of 4 herman miller fiberglass chairs on eiffel base, all looks original and the base seems to always have been on, no mark or other mounting.
There is a Z between the rear shock mount, a B at the front and only the Logo stamped.
what year and which company made them?
I cant identify the color, it looks ochre or dark parchment to me...
would you restore them or leave them like this, the fiber looks great tho, base dont have much rust, no repair and no broken barres...
I just needs to replace few glides...
thanx for your help
I'd like top post image but doent know how to do...


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Eameshead
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24/07/2014 10:15 pm  

side shell or arm shell?
either way, your chairs are possibly 3rd generation Zenith plastics chairs and dates could range anywhere from around 1955-56. It gets hard to narrow it down more than that. And not having a photo makes this just a general guess.
There are different kinds of "Zs". Is this a small embossed "backwards S" type Z in the middle of 3 dots? Or is it a larger normal Z that is stamped?
My guess at the dates is probably the same either way.
Also, I am assuming that the shock mounts are the smaller variety.
But if the shells are arm shells, and happen to be the larger 2.5" mounts that are (which are usually associated with the 2nd generation Zenith shells) then you would be on the very early side of that range,or possibly a year or two earlier.


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evilchevy666
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28/07/2014 9:01 am  

Sorry, Just got some...
Sorry, Just got some pictures.
So if this can help to date them and help on the color (parchmen, ochre???) Picture 2 is the closest to the real color......
Also would you restore them or leave them like this... they are in pretty good condition.


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Eameshead
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28/07/2014 10:37 am  

1957-59
If the bases and white plastic glides seem original to the chair (check the shock mount impressions) then the chairs have to be 1957 or later. That is when the plastic glides were first introduced. Since there is only the big embossed logo and no HERMAN MILLER spelled out, it is probably no later than '59 or so. The spelled out name started in around 1960. So 1957-59 is my best guess.
I am going mostly by the paper label, big H embossment, and plastic glides. The Z and B are not the ones I expected, and I am less certain about them than I am about the other indicators.
The shells look to be in good shape for the most part. I wouldn't do anything drastic. You can give them a pretty good cleaning without harming the shine. And they will still be original. Just my opinion of course.
They seem to have aged nicely, and the bases look great!


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evilchevy666
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28/07/2014 3:56 pm  

The shock mounts looks...
The shock mounts looks original to me, no marks of other base and all the shocks mounts are the same with the same screws and glues... See picture
Can you help me to know what color is the chairs...
The closest to the real color is the picture 2...


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evilchevy666
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28/07/2014 4:44 pm  

what is the best way to...
what is the best way to clean them?
and also where is the best place to buy replacement glide and screw (1 is missing)
thanx for your help:)


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28/07/2014 6:21 pm  

ebay
if you type in "Eames glides" on ebay you will see some choices of new or used plastic glides. Look for "eiffel base" glides to match yours. "Modern Conscience" is one online store that has parts.
Hard to say what the color is from these photos, as the overall color of the photo has a greenish tone. Possibly "lemon yellow", "pale yellow", or "ochre light", or even "greige". It is difficult to say. You can look up Eames chair color charts to see what comes closest.
Cleaning-- Mild soap and warm water is a safe place to start, but you can also use stronger cleaners like "409" or "Fantastik" type spray cleaners on these shells to remove dirt without hurting the shine or color of the shell. If you like some of the aged look to the surface, you can just gently remove the worst dirt areas.
Just watch out for the labels, etc., and GO SLOW. You can dilute the cleaners with water as needed, and several careful attempts will give you better results. Fiberglass is pretty tough stuff though.
Others here may have additional ideas on any of this stuff. Good luck and congratulations on your find!


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28/07/2014 6:51 pm  

Color
Try to take some photos under good natural light, if you can.


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evilchevy666
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29/07/2014 2:42 am  

I'll try again to load some...
I'll try again to load some pictures...
This is the closest to the real color...
what do you think it is??
Thanx for the cleaning advice and info on the year...:)


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evilchevy666
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29/07/2014 2:47 am  

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evilchevy666
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29/07/2014 11:37 am  

what color???
better picture of chairs and shock added.
what color do you think this is?? Light ochre??


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Eameshead
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29/07/2014 6:12 pm  

yes
Light ochre is a good guess, or possibly greige.
They look the same color as the early "greige" arms shells to me. But by 1957-58 the color names and palette had probably expanded, and I am not sure what side shell colors were available at that time.
They look very nice though, and have a rich surface.


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29/07/2014 8:08 pm  

Hi
I would go with Ochre Light. They look lovely.


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30/07/2014 12:17 am  

Don't mess with them
If you're asking if you should sand them and coat them in Penetrol I say HELL no. You can clean em with the tougher side of a sponge and they'll shine up nice. You can get replacement parts on eBay or by emailing Graham Mancha (just google Graham Mancha UK).


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