Ducking the cat-in-heat sounds,
another fun period piece:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIlTtXrgA0c
I have never seen...
I dont know if line workers methods varied, but I do know that color batches varied widely, and much more than the stated variations. I have eight seafoam green chairs and they can be lined up in a spectrum from aqua to extremely olive. Several different warm to cool greens. No two chairs are a match.
EamesHead...
This has been discussed in years past. Even chairs from the same production era, factory and batch can show very differently due to 50-60 odd years of exposure to the elements. When you start putting different era and/or factory productions next to one another the difference can be vast. Only sets which have been kept together over the years will show perfectly similar.
lunchbox, i disagree
I know that "color differences occur due to age/environment" blah blah blah is the standard assumption. In my opinion, that assumption is clearly and simply wrong.
I have plenty of "matching sets" that have mellowed a bit differently, and that is not what I am talking about. That is why I decided to post my observations. I know the difference between a color batch and age/exposure. It shows itself on every single chair. There are always places where you can check, the underside, under loose labels or or a chip, or a ghost of a base or whatever. Not that mysterious at all.
Why is it so hard for you to imagine Ray Eames WANTING to play around with color once in awhile? According to one interviewed employee, Ray was the one that made most of the calls on color, and had far more of a feel for texture and color than did Charles. Charles didnt even WANT the fiberglass to show, as she told it. (Saw this about two or three years ago when they were doing a special on the Eames office.)
The elehphant hide grey chairs also demonstrate various hues from warm to cool, (yes even within a PAIR) but the range is far closer with them. Like I said, if you lay Sea Foam chairs from warm to cool, you get clear hue changes, intensity changes AND even value changes. The aqua Seafoam is almost BLUE green, and the mid range chairs get towards a sage kind of color, and then there is outright OLIVE. But the spectrum doesn't stop there. I also have chairs that might be described as "Griege" but are actually just slight transitions from the Olive Sea Foam.
So what I am saying is that the spectrum of color CHANGE is not only incredibly subtle, but that the RATE of change is CONSTANT-- and that rate of change moves RIGHT THROUGH the definition of "Seafoam Green" and keeps on going through "Olive Seafoam"all the way to Olive Beige or Greige! (IE a different color entirely) So WAY PAST simple fading and aging that it is laughable to argue the point in my opinion.
With the complexity of the greens and greige colors, you can sit there and look at them and have no way of deciding where to draw the line between the color labels. This is a wonderful thing! Perhaps I should have explained better.
I may never convince you of this Lunchbox, but that does not surprise me.
I disagree with the notion that everything was standardized, because it just isn't so. Forensics are not THAT difficult. All you need is to be a little OCD to decide to drill into a shell to get to the good stuff!
I would like to hear from any others on this board who have had the opportunity to see many shells side by side. Im sorry it sounds like heresy to some, but I say this with a background of teaching color and mixing it for 35 years, and I have collected Eames shells for 25.
I well know the difference between age mellowing and a base color shift.
I think it is a cool thing and that we should have a discussion about it.
Whoa, EH, simmer down now...
I never said there was no differentiation between the colors. In fact my previous post assumed that there were differences from one era or even factory to another.
But if you don't think different exposures to the elements over the years has an effect as well you're kidding yourself. Even a set of chairs may age differently as one might get more light one side of the table than another, etc etc...
Lunchbox, I didn't say that...
I never said that environmental effects don't change the color. They certainly do, and I love em all! The patina of time and all that...
What I said was that the environmental color changes are not responsible for ALL of the color differences. I gave examples of what I meant.
I said that there is a clear and obvious (to me) difference between age-related color shift and intentional color shift.
I base this on long hours of contemplation of many mnay examples side by side.
And no, I am not currently a stoner! LOL
Besides, Mark thinks I am intelligent. There is always that! (But then Mark thinks you are intelligent too Lunchbox. HA!)
Just kidding, really!
woodywood
I could post photos, but
1) I would have to learn how to post a photo.
2) The sun is setting on my side of the hill at the moment, so I would be well advised to wait until tomorrow at the earliest. Besides, Im trying to barbeque chicken at the moment. Seriously though, Im guessing direct light might be better. For an ocd guy, this is no small task!
3) I would have to schlep lots of stuff around for the photo, including up and down stairs, but that is really no excuse.
4)But what IS an excuse is that I am just 16 days past a surgery and I am not supposed to lift anything over 10 lbs for about 5 more days! But thankfully, most of the Shells are light weight Zeniths except for one outright LEVIATHAN Venice shell that weighs a freaking ton.
4) You KNOW how photos are. They unify and generalize colors quite often. And for all I know, the photos could be a huge disappointment and make me look quite silly, and not "prove" anything at all.
5) But also, photos can be taken- and re taken- until the desired results are obtained! Just sayin'... I would of course, try not to "embellish" my argument by selecting only a photo that proved my point. Never. Not ME!! But it would be damned tempting, you have to admit!
6) I wouldnt mind getting the shells together for a little session though, so maybe tomorrow would be good.
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