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danielmpoole
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10/11/2011 6:04 pm  

Sigh.
... maybe this should be in the 'last thing that made you say WTF' thread?
(edited by DA - image removed at the request of the owner)


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tktoo
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10/11/2011 6:15 pm  

Methylene Chloride
Let's hope they never stop making it.


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glassartist
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10/11/2011 6:24 pm  

Just at a glance
Most of the shown cabinets look like high end pieces. All I see is someone who did not have the skills or money to do a proper restoration. When I get something similar I sell it as is to someone who has the resources to do it right. Taking a good quality piece and altering it is devaluing it, therefore downcycling.


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danielmpoole
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10/11/2011 6:25 pm  

I consider myself as creative
and I studied graphic design for 3 years. I just don't understand how anyone could approach a piece of furniture like that, with the end result above in mind?


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tktoo
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10/11/2011 6:41 pm  

Agreed, glass.
Often, though, the effort necessary to restore most of these pieces is economically unfeasable, effectively relegating them to the trash heap. As far as the market is concerned, the fewer surviving quality examples should only appreciate as long as buying trends hold. Then, perhaps, these poor babies might someday end up worth restoring.


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Tulipman
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10/11/2011 6:53 pm  

Saw a beautiful set of Cherner chairs faux marbelized
Yecch,gimme a break!


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HPau
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10/11/2011 9:33 pm  

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Were they faux heavy?


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glassartist
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10/11/2011 10:17 pm  

I dont know tktoo
I am looking at natural cases with paint on doors and drawer fronts. The paint is not going to help cover serious structural issues in these pieces. The worst I can imagine is damage through veneer on the painted parts. Any quality cabinet would be well worth some re veneering on these smaller flat panels.


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tktoo
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10/11/2011 10:56 pm  

Not to argue, glassartist.
I'm not a dealer, but a craftsman with good technical skills. For me, stripping and refinishing are a big enough challenge, nevermind a proper re-veneering of door panels and drawer fronts. Paint can hide a multitude of insults that varnish cannot.
I suppose a big, well-equipped shop could get them out the door quick enough in passable shape, but it would have to promise a good return to warrant the trouble for the average dealer. It would depend on the particular piece and market in the end, no?


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glassartist
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11/11/2011 5:52 pm  

no no
argue away. Good point. It absolutely depends on the piece. I have done both finish work and veneering. Given reasonable facilities Re veneering was for me way less taxing than a comparable stripping and cleverly blending imperfections. Also the dealer's decision an how to proceed on a damaged piece, shows where their heart is. Do you give a good piece the attention it deserves, or do you just paint it for highest profit?


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HPau
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11/11/2011 6:12 pm  

Theres paint and paint (and...
Theres paint and paint (and veneer and veneer...) I'd much rather a really hard good black than some awful Sapele over chipboard.
How you you re-veneering these pieces Glassartist?


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glassartist
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11/11/2011 10:56 pm  

I do not
have the facilities at this time, but when I last did it was the straightforward bookmatch and vaccuum bag method. Oh yeah, and a giant automatic feed sander for prep.


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Alan Fears
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12/11/2011 4:57 pm  

I'm the offender... what do you want?
Above everything else, you seem confused. Ask me a question directly and I'll be happy to educate you. Ready...


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tktoo
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12/11/2011 6:26 pm  

Now I'm confused, Alan.
Which "offender" are you? There seems to be more than a few.
Originally, the confusion surrounds motive, I think. At least, beyond simply making a profit, which is understandable and valid. Perhaps you could address that?
Thanks for pitching in, BTW.
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tktoo
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12/11/2011 6:39 pm  

Glass, you're last question almost answers itself.
Most, if not all, successful dealers I've known are businesspersons foremost.
It sounds like you have more experience than I do with re-veneering. Those big thickness-sanders are the bomb, eh? And, yes, a good vacuum-bag system is essential, too.


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