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15/01/2020 5:59 pm  

Hi all,

I felt it was time to go sleuthing again; January is such a dull month, in all senses,  😶 

I found an image of an interesting desk  by Clausen and Manus, Oslo ( image 1) in this book;Aloi, Roberto; Esempi Di Arredamento Moderno Di Tutto Il Mondo: Studi Librerie Scrivanie Volume 6 ; Milano : U. Hoepli, 1953,

Needless to say I went searching  and all I could find were the same desks by Clausen and Maerus (?) and with metal labels for a company called Eden ,based in Amsterdam and Rotterdam.

Hmmm 🤔 So I posted on a Facebook group based in Norway .One reply; Clausen and MANUS (not Maerus) were an office supply company set up after WW2 and they had Rastad and Relling draw up some designs for desks.(Ref. page 24-26 in Mats Linder book "Møblene er fra Rastad og Relling").No further info given ( ?copright etc)

Looked into the Eden company. Very little info out there. Did find a listing for a sold chair with an Eden label attached,which interestingly had an image of the same desk! (image 2). This listing mentioned 'Eden Meubelmagazijn' who made desks and bookcases from the 1930's or so. They advertised in the Groene Amsterdammer.( Image 3)

I am hoping that @wesemael might be able to help with the Dutch connection, given his sterling assistance re Bovenkamp, in the Madsen and Schubell saga!!

Anyone else feel free to comment...

 

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16/01/2020 7:21 pm  

@lexi I will do some research it will take some time I do know or havce seen the desk with the eden label for example at degeleetalage  or vntg

quick research showed me the desk and frequently in the netherlands also the add lexi found a link to a earchive not open and helas in  amsterdam about 15 hour away

later   maarten


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16/01/2020 7:32 pm  

@wesemael.Thanks for the reply. Any help is appreciated and I have all the time in the world!!! So no hurry with finding information.

Lexi.

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17/01/2020 3:06 pm  

Hi @lexi, it's certainly not a great help but I have checked the dutch newspaper archive Delpher, which was very helpful in the Madsen and Schubell saga :),  and can at least tell that Eden existed from the late 19th century on, probably untill mid or late 60s. They used the table as a logo in adds in 1962 and 1963. I don't quite understand whether they produced furniture or just retailed it. My Dutch is not good enough. Maybe @wesemael can check that out. 

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17/01/2020 3:36 pm  

@herringbone. Interesting; Thanks. My feeling is that they made furniture in the early days but by the sixties they were possibly importers/retailers. What is really puzzling me is that Clausen and Manus went their seperate ways in 1952 and set up two separate companies; Clausen A/S and Manus A/S. I will try and find more info on these two companies.

So how does this tie in with the same desk being retailed in The Netherlands in the 60's? Did one of these companies continue having these desks made and then sold by Eden.? 

Since my 1st post, I have found another publication, from 1952, which shows the desk. Unfortunately the written text is blurred (  a deja vu moment !! 🙄 )

Hopefully @wesemael can find something...

 

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17/01/2020 3:45 pm  

This is some info I found about the companys address in Molsteeg, translated from Dutch via google:

Shop with warehouse and upstairs apartment. Built for E.F. Eden, which had been established in the Molsteeg since 1871. People could come here for furniture, wallpaper and household items. Eden was a supporter of the Boer movement in South Africa. During one of the Boer wars, for example, he sold items produced by Peasants made prisoner of war, the proceeds of which went to the prisoners of war. The Eden company has been here until the 1970s. In recent years, the company has specialized in office furniture.

 

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17/01/2020 3:51 pm  

The sold chair listing I mentioned referenced an E.F. Eden.

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17/01/2020 4:19 pm  

@herringbone@lexi

indeed thats  the  shop i found  the same little ads in Delphner Also i found a link to a archive off  Verbruggen and  Goldschmidt architects who not only did the  intorior desig of the shopbut also designed furniture for  Eden so they did produce for sale and for commissions However this archive (the part with the furnirure designs for Eden is closed i have to contact and see how and why)

i also found they went bankrupt in late 40  (archive closed untin 2021) but aparently reopened sinceyou find addswith furniture  like Pastoe and AP Originals (witch resembles lexi's catawiki chair)

the relation with the Boers puzzles me since is find also a study on new wold order continuing the work of the resistance  during wwII wich is a bit of a oposite tot the boers  😉

however the desk in question is sold here requently as  clausen and maerus  with the eden label

so it can be it is not clausen and maerus but just easely named as such? or in fact clausen and manus and sold by Eden and  just misnamed

however i did not find any foto/article/add with eden and the desk

icant promise to go to amsterdam to seen the vebruggen goldschmidt archive  who designed furniture for eden and maybe the desk

@lexi @herringbone  is the desk as know in scandinavia as it is here (if you google clausen and maerus you seeit frequently here see also VNTG catawiki) if noit then it could be logic it is design by verbuggen and goldschmidt  and in thar case maybe worth te voyage to amsterdam


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17/01/2020 4:21 pm  

https://archief.amsterdam/inventarissen/details/30876/path/1.1.2.5

linkto the archive  see 491-496

or lookfor Eden


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17/01/2020 4:45 pm  

According to Wikipedia Clausen and Manus established their company in the US where they produced office machines. Why would they design a desk for a Duch furniture company? 

Edit: Ah, now I get it. Excuse me, I'm a bit slow these days. So the idea is that Rastad and Relling designed the desk for Clausen and Manus and that Eden either bought the copyright and produced it in the Netherlands - or that even Clausen and Manus had it produced in the Netherlands because they were operating from the US and didn't have regional preferences? Or that either Clausen or Manus seperately had it produced in the Netherlands. That's a tough one.

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17/01/2020 7:07 pm  

@herringbone. Mats Linder ( who co-wrote the book referenced in my first post) replied to my enquiry on FB forum(norway)

"The desk was designed by Rastad & Relling Tegnekontor and manufactured by Clausen & Manus. I don´t know the name or year but it is illustrated in Bonytt magazine 4-5, 1951. It was probably exported to USA in the early 50´s."

That clears up the Norway/USA link.

The Netherlands connection is however  somewhat of a conundrum. 🤔 

Have a good weekend.

 

 

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17/01/2020 7:50 pm  

@lexi

since Eden sold also pastoe and AP originals why not Clausen & Manus ? and that it is now sold under a wrong name is not very puzzling that hapens a lot and stil  Bovenkamp's are atributed to aksel bender 


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17/01/2020 8:02 pm  

@wesemael. Using the wrong/misspelt name is most certainly a possibility. And as we have seen, misattributions continue .....

Thank you so much for the time and effort looking into "Eden".

Lexi

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17/01/2020 11:55 pm  

I guess, like Bovenkamp, Eden bought the rights to produce these desks. Or they just imported and sold them, and they were much more  successful in the Netherlands than they were in the rest of Europe. But: Why would they chose a desk that had nothing to do with them as their logo? And I still don’t get how Clausen and Manus had the capacities to produce furniture in the first place.

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23/01/2020 12:13 pm  

I would GUESS that eden had exclusive rights to the design in Netherlands and had it produced by some contractor also in the Netherlands. It sold well so the company made an image of it their logo.  This all reminds me of Bovirke in Denmark, which was a retailer, made a Finn Juhl chair its logo, and had the chair made by contractors. 


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