Glassartist -Stop trying to read into things
"I have no interest in learning about this subject, but will claim a certain expertise anyway"
Never said or thought that. In fact, you couldn't be more wrong. I qualified my thread in the initial post that I was probably not qualified to comment on Noguchi. That doesn't mean I can't have an opinion or a reaction.
Yes, art is a subject, like any other, that requires significant time and effort to understand. But, for me, right now, it's subjective. The fact that I'm engaged in this forum authenticates my interest to learn. I have questions boiling up in my jarhead. I have an interest in learning, I am allowed to have an opinion and a reaction to art, and im allowed to ask questions no matter what my art education level is. But thanks for the public "bitch slap" anyway.
I suspect this is exactly where DAers didn't want this to go, so perhaps we continue this discussion over your favorie beer.
EH, I never
said or even implied leave it ONLY to the experts. I am also stumped as to why there is such resistance to a suggestion that there may be a useable definition out there and it could be important to a discussion of the subject. You are kinda straying into things I was not talking about.
OK GlassArtist...
I thought I was just taking your points to their "illogical conclusion".
I didn't mean to put words in your mouth.
Sorry if I was too blunt.
(Hey, dont you think Chiluly is ridiculously Vegas? Being a glass guy, how does it feel to have THAT as the standard bearer coffee table book guy in your field?)
keep at it slamfoot
You have been very responsible in presenting yourself, and your questions and opinions are valid ones, in my opinion.
Half the battle in art is taking yourself seriously enough, and not discounting yourself to death when things start to happen. You have to believe in your own authenticity at some point, or all is lost. Stick to your guns.
Your remarks all seem quite appropriate to me.
Slamfoot
Sorry, I did not explain my self well enough. I firmly believe that you in no way intended those things. But The " I don't know what art is, but I know it when I see it" type of statement is very common and I believe it does have that underpinning. Upon further thought it is equally or more likely to say "I do know what art is but I cant articulate it, so I can only say I know it when I see it". I have seen both implications in play before. But to test whether it is a useful statement when discussing what art is, I find it helpful to replace the word art with something else and see how it holds up. "I don't know what a bird is, but I know one when I see it". I have run this statement through my head with a number of subjects and objects in place of the word art, and none of the resulting statements make much sense. Taken at face value I can not think of anything you can know and not know at the same time. If I may be so bold, perhaps the statement should be " I don't have a definition of art, but I do have the ability to appreciate things that are presented as such. That Idea is totally fine, but the other while catchy and part of our culture, seems to me to be entirely illogical.
EH
I am not up on the work you are referring to, but as a teaser for perhaps another conversation I will say that I think that Chihuly both (largely) made my area and broke it at the same time. But I would prefer it not go on in this thread. I just don't want you to think I am ignoring you.
Maybe people feel...
Maybe people feel comfortable weighing in on the subject because unlike a lot of endeavours art or craft is something that everyone can do, poorly or well.
Refined discussion and definitions are valuable but theres a power in naivete that can be really worth listening to, I've met a few people that have asked seemingly very simple questions that on reflection gave me a sorely needed slap in the face.
I'm not jaded but I miss the first few years of discovering good design or having my knees go weak in a museum but I still enjoy what comes of casting a wide net.
My little ponies... hilarious and more interesting than the third rate Victorian shite that the serious stand in front of here and get their daily intake of intellectual brocolli, not because they feel or are excited by the paintings but because they think they should be.
Classical sculpture and all the copies, I like the hot ones, they're both beautiful and well crafted, history, bronze casting, technique! But they are erotic too and thats something that puritans have cut out of the picture.
So sorry for the ramble but thats at least partially what I think about art (rather than trying to come up with a general definition) and how its percieved but the truth is I change my mind too often to ever be accused of having a consistent position on anything.
Lunchy, what could be more artsy-fartsy
than DA?
What is art to you? You seem to have definite opinions on what it's not.
Were you honestly expecting that lead-in to take you somewhere? Slamfoot's ostensibly earnest inquiry for opinions could be mistaken for a troll. And you know what they say about opinions.
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Yes, maybe folk could post examples of artworks and say why they appreciate them.
DA artsy fartsy, are you joking? I really don't like that term, it is dismissive but see where Lunchbox is coming from. There are some really pretentious carry ons and silly dramas in the art world.
You're interrogating the subject? Okay wheres the pliers and jumper leads? I've got a few questions for you.
Fabulous...God this wine is shit, glad I'm not paying for it.
Its deconstructed? Can I break it? Will that make it better?
Oh Christ this is costing a fortune and no one is drunk enough to buy anything yet...oh well Mummy/the state is paying for it.
You're exploring the idea of containment? No you're not, you're making bowls, oh in a cave in straight jacket? I get it now.
Then there are the school groups in museums fighting in front of paintings and falling into them, a knocked over Rodin because someone (against the advice of the lowly guards) decided to put it on a plinth directly behind a 2 metre high painting hung 3 metres up the wall and the hanging of an on loan *nameless artist* underneath the duct venting hot fatty air into the gallery from the cafe below. Architects eh? Talking to the conservators about air flow *might* have been a good idea.
The rolling tsunami of stuff ups before an exhibition is hilarious too, the cards havn't been printed in the right format (panic!), someone bought the crappiest spray adhesive and nothing will stick, theres not enough space for wheelchair access and they've run out of toilet paper and the artists girlfriend is crying in the toilets because no one is paying her ANY ATTENTION!
Not that any of that is really serious or says anything about art per se but I think it's chuckle worthy.
PS There was wheelchair access in the end.
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