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24/03/2008 9:16 pm  

Flat and not round.
Strange indeed. I haven't decided if I like it, the elements of course are correct. But something about it being squarish, throws it off. Could be I'm just use to looking at it as a circle. Hmmm.


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24/03/2008 9:33 pm  

You're right Swank...the...
You're right Swank...the squarish quality is awkward. I'm trying to grasp a more oval quality, but still feeling the contradiction. I believe the standard ball clock is far superior in presentation. This piece does win the quirkyness award, and I like quirky... sometimes.
I really like the cut face of the wood balls themselves.


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barrympls
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24/03/2008 10:21 pm  

I emailed the seller
asking about if there was a 4 digit number on the back.
I'll report what he says when he replies.
By the way, I intend to fill in the edging of the clock (see below) with a filler and will try to stain it to match.
Also I will hypo song wood glue into the crack and clamp it.
Hopefully I can get it to look somewhat better.


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24/03/2008 10:31 pm  

as you know barry i had ...
as you know barry i had a bid on that clock but was real
glad you got it cause i was worried i was gonna have to take it.,
those looked like bad chips /cracks to me and for your sake i hope they can be fixed, other wise, it might not look to good.


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24/03/2008 10:38 pm  

i would not waste my ti...
i would not waste my time on that other clock
it is a hack job with someone fooling around trying to do there own design, the only thing that makes any sence about this clock is the architect Alden Dow a great mid century modern designer, if the clock was off his kichen wall maybe.
i would consider it
he did design great homes and if it was one one of his homes, someone was just fooling around with nothing better to do,, Howard miller or nelson never did this,


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barrympls
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24/03/2008 11:49 pm  

Lloyd
I did not know I was bidding against you. With this new hiding of bidders eBay deal, I can't always be sure.
Are you the guy selling those two clocks from Tulsa? I thought you might be.
I think I get the clock to look decent....certainly better than it looks now and I'm so intrigues by it because of how far out from the wall it is.


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25/03/2008 12:18 am  

barry
no those two clocks belong to Tim and Charley two fine pickers who have the ability to find good stuff,
These two boys find amazing stuff where no other person looks,
they got that Harvey Probber sofa for 50 bucks
and sold it to me for 750.00
I say G-D bless them cause
i saw it in NYC for
$8000.00 at Evan Lobels store and almost bought it but did not want to fool with the shipping,
That one clock has been hanging around my friend Maurices store for years,
I hope you can fix that clock that you bought
once you do that it will be good.
I just am not up for no more projects,


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LuciferSum
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25/03/2008 12:43 am  

Attribution
I'm of two minds about the attribution. As posted many times before it's perfectly within the legal rights of Nelson Associates, or George Nelson to claim all attributions of those that worked in his company. Like I've said before - no one knows who designed the iPod; only that its an Apple product.
However, I do find it interesting to see how things like Mulhauser's plycraft lounge chairs relate to the Coconut chair and the likes. I wonder if a good compromise might be something like what appears in Eames Design. Each project is chronicled by year, with the names of all those working in the Eames office at the time. It's not perfect - but as you've seen, many of the records about who did what are lost. All that is left are a few folks left who (in the case of Harper) are conveniently claiming authorship. (I'm not saying he didnt do so - just convenient that he is still alive to claim so)
An instance of why this is a murky area can be found in Bertoia and Eames. Bertoia is attributed to designing the metal spine/legs of the DCM, the lack of recognition for which he supposedly left the Eames office. Now, did he one day say to Charles: maybe we should have a metal frame? Or did Charles initiate the idea, and Bertoia carried it out? Or was it someone at Herman Miller's idea? Or did Charles and Bertoia work solve the problems together? We'll never know for certain.
Just like we cannot truly extract which bits Ray and Charles did together we cannot assign sole attribution to one person or another in Nelson's office. Nelson did not do all of the work himself - this is fact. But, like an orchestra conductor, the captain of a ship, or the coach of a football team Nelson had his hand in each project George Nelson Associates produced. Everything, from the clocks to the coconut, is inextricably linked to his name.


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barrympls
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25/03/2008 12:59 am  

Got an answer about that weird ball clock
His answer:
Hi,
You know, there's no numbers on the back like most of the clocks do have...I was wondering if this was a special order or custom made prototype????? This came out of the same house as the last clock I just sold " Sunburst"....So I don't know any more about it other then it is rather Unusual...
John
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Guess it is probably the real deal!


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LuciferSum
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25/03/2008 1:42 am  

Skeptical
Barry, I'd be a little more skeptical. It could be that whomever owned the house added Nelson hands onto an existing clock in a similar style sometime during their life. It could be that the person selling it did that now. (I know what you're thinking: A dishonest seller on eBay? Never!) lol. Still, its a fun shape, and if it IS real, then it could be an awesome find 🙂


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barrympls
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25/03/2008 1:57 am  

That's possible
except for two things:
1) Why on earth would one create new balls that were sheared on one side? That would've been quite an expense.
2) There are so many weird short-lived Nelson Clock variations made by Howard Miller, I wouldn't be absolutely certain that it might not have been a different clock...that probably didn't last a year.


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Robert Leach
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27/03/2008 11:13 pm  

Of Any Interest ?
Saw this on eBay UK
Is it of any interest to you guys ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290215755131&s...


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barrympls
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28/03/2008 12:40 am  

Nope,
the museum clocks were made in the 1980's. I have the brass museum table clock, got it cheap, and it's cute, but not worth anything.


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Robert Leach
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28/03/2008 12:43 am  

OK
OK! just though I'd ask
I'm totaly ignorant on this subject


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barrympls
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28/03/2008 1:48 am  

No need to apologize
It's no big deal!
Those museum clocks are nice, but only when you compare them to the Nelson clocks that they seem a bit ordinary.


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