Big difference between the best art...
...and selling a painting
!YOU implied that "the marketplace and buyers" were the final say about what was deemed ART, as every idiot knows what they are looking at.
Lets just go ahead and put Keane in the Louvre, okay?
I simply disagreed with your rather stupid point about buyers defining the contemporary art environment with regards to quality in art. You are dead wrong about that.
I never made a point about "starving artists" other than to say that good art was not always supported financially-- I simply and some examples.
YOU got all obsessed with this silliness about "who was MORE starving" and in your thoughtless glee, once again missed my main point, and failed to address what I said.
THERE IS NO SEEING "ANOTHER SDE" OF ANYTHING.
This is not about two sides of the same thing.
There is good painting and weak painting.
And then there is your universe of kitsch.
You want to lube it all up as if its all the same, but you are simply clueless.
Pollocks entire support system consisted of about 4 people. For a very long time.
Clyfford Still stopped showing in commercial galleries after about 5 years. He is in every major museum in the world.
His art didn't have to pass through your grubby hands to be deemed great.
The original group of abstract expressionists consisted of Kline, Pollock, Still, Newman, de Kooning and possibly Sam Francis.
They invented it. America's first world class school of painting.
Everybody else comes after that.
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And I only showed you a small percentage of my inventory. And it was just to show EH and Robert that I don't just deal in Nebraska Furniture Mart items. It wasn't to look cool, or pretend I'm a king. Half or more of what's in those photos is mid century. There's a lot more out there than just Scandinavian, Danish, and German furniture, pottery, and glassware. You can't see that though when you don't know what you're looking at, and don't want to find out.
If you spend all day on here discussing only this era, then what are you gonna do when someone brings up a conversation about the Victorian period:
Or the first cars ever made?
Or early Gas & Petroleum:
Or the first fans ever made:
Or quack medical:
Or the Aesthetic Movement?
Or the Industrial Era?
Or the Art Deco period?
Or Art Nouveau:
Or WWII:
Don't worry. It's all sold, but the Fram Victory Cartridge, and it's not listed. So I'mnot trying to sell you here. Will you know what to look for if you see it, without a book, or phone handy? Who wouldn't want to be as knowledgable as all the antiques roadshow appraisers combined? I'm trying to get there, and I don't think there's anything wrong with being educated on the history of all the art in the world you can take in.
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My family are all Romanichal's from Romania. They were raised on Gaudy Victorain type furniture and objects, and that's what I thought I wanted to collect at first. That's how I started so far back in time, and that's also where my eye for the unusual began. There's a lot of unusual shit from that era. It wasn't until I came across a Louis Icart Illusion print in a chrome frame, while working in Florida during one winter, that I realized I now had a new passion. Art Deco.
It was out with the gold, and in with the chrome. There was something in that lady that called to me, in a way A victorian woman never could. She was intriguing, mesmerizing. The detail in her smoke filled hair was amazing. It was from there that I built a database of objects, and knowledge from 1900 and up, until I slowly ended up settling at the Eames era as my all time favorite. I now am very fickle, and love numerous forms of art from the early 1900's all the way to the 1980's.
While other kids at my age where trying to find parties, and listening to Metallica, I was trying to find flea markets, and was listening to Elvis, and Jackie Wilson. Elvis is a Gypsy thing, so that brought me close to the 50's, and that's how that all tied in. I was raised around a melting pot of era's, and styles, and have now burned that all into my psyche, to add to the era's a I love the most. At 39 I should be collecting Skateboards, Transfromers, and RC cars. Instead I'm scouring the surroundings looking for art from a hundred years of creation.
Woody
It has nothing to do with the buying and selling of objects for profit. I bought the art I did because I love it, and only realized other people did too, when I couldn't go south for the winter in 2002 to work, and needed to make some extra cash. I picked out a few things I thought I really could live without, and when the first item sold for $550, I thought I might have something there with all that stuff.
My original goal was to just be a collector, and seal for a living, because that's what I was taught to do, but I didn't want to seal for a living. I hate sealcoating. I hate dealing with the people, and their devious ways. I hate the coal tar burning your skin off. I hate not getting home until 11 at night, and having to get back up to break my back from 5:30 in the morning until then. I hate the customers blaming me because crackfiller falls out after two weeks of putting it in, after I told them it was a waste to use it. I hate traveling all over the whole US to find work, because there's not enough in one town to ever make it. I hated never being able to make friends because I moved 10 times a year.
I sold my comic books to buy a $150 4-door pontiac 4000 with 500 thumbtacks in the hood lining, two buckets of sealer and a squeegee at 16, because my father said I needed to understand the value of a dollar. My eye for detail, and my love of art from school was all that got me through it (even though my family isn't supposed to go past the 6th or 7th grade, because you have to start helping your father at 11), and I built that company into over 200 accounts throughout the years, with no help, because all of my employees were so lazy they couldn't last longer than a week.
I'm 39 now, and everything I have is because I created works of art on every driveway I touched. I've never owned a credit card to date, and all my vehicles, homes, and entire collection were bought with cash from my love of art, a steady hand, and attention to detail. It has saved my life. I would be lost without it. I have no kids, and have never been married, and my love is to come home, and look at all my pieces I've saved from the hands of destroyers, and steampunks, in hopes that someday, someone will want to share the passion of my collection with me.
While I was working, I would always stop at garage sales, and hit flea markets while out, and started building an inventory. After that first item sold, I realized I would have to own graceland to display all that stuff I accumulated under one roof, and thought maybe I could do what I love the most, collect art, ditch sealcoating one day, and still get paid for the pieces I didn't want, but someone else did. I could do God's work by donating my time to charities (which I still do), and make dreams come true for other people, while also making mine come true, through one business.
PS
Monet was considered talentless and retrograde by academic painters.
You presume a lot to say you know what Monet might think about Warhol?
HILARIOUS IDIOCY.
You DO need to go to school. Its never too late.
What about Warhol's use of color?
To me, Warhol's color is very much in the same spirit of the complementary palette which Monet often used.
I could see Monet appreciating Warhol's use of color, as well as his composition.
They were both non academic painters in their time. Why would you assume Monet to be so CLOSED MINDED? I guess he just cant be expected to see as much as you, huh dude?
nice stuff dude...
this certainly beats the hobbit rug and the "beige blast" by Vera.
I think you're sneaking in museum archive stuff now-- just to see if I will take the bait and say its crap!
You have been holding out on us.
I like the painting with the dark monolithic blank space in it. And the thing with the yellow tube.
Mark probably likes THAT! (huh Mark LOL.... cause hes evil.)
groovydude
I am just having a hard time believing that you truly have an artistic appreciation and aesthetic affinity for everything that you buy (in hopes of reselling for a profit). It seems like you just see everything in terms of dollar signs. Perhaps that is not the case, but that is the sense that I get from pretty much all of your posts.
In any case, I do agree that you should have your own TV show. After all, even Jeremiah had one, and he isn't 1/10000th the dealer that you claim to be (in all aspects of the word).
EH...
That's all good and dandy, but that's exactly my point. If an impressionist painter you idolize so much, would be that open minded in 1880 to a pop art painter from 1960 with such out there thinking as Warhol, why can't you be that open minded in 2013?
In all reality, Monet may have loved it, but he could never have accepted it, even if he wanted to, because that kind of painting style was not popular at the time, and would never have been popular at the time. It took 60 more years to become popular. Popularity is driven by the society around you. It would never have been popular to the society around Monet, therefore wouldn't have been popular to Monet, and ultimately would never have worked. Simple science.
That society would have looked at Warhol and laughed, and laughed, and laughed, then have him committed, or his temples hammered, and then laugh some more. Monet wouldn't have said a word, because he had to live there, and wouldn't want to be committed next to him. That doesn't mean Warhol did not go on to become an insane artist, and completely start a movement 70 years later, when people were more open minded.
For someone who defends Monet, and claims he would defend Warhol for seeing the most simple things in the world as art, you sure do rip on me for seeing the most simple of things in the world as art, just like Warhol. It doesn't get much more plain, and boring than a campbell's soup can. But how more iconic can that mega simple image be?
You're trapped inside of a small bubble, with your mind wrapped around a select few people you want to represent as class, and talent, and everything else is udder shit. While you're doing that, I'm keeping my mind open to everything around me, and am taking it all in, much like Andy Warhol and all other famous artists did with their works. How can the people you respect be that open minded, but you be that closed minded?
That's all mine EH...
That's what an open mind get's you. The "thing with the yellow tube" I believe you're talking about, is a Victorian Taper Wax Jack for the wealthy to seal envelopes. That yellow tube is wax. Here's my write up about it on my flickr site.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/onegroovydude/sets/72157632763831803/
That "thing with the dark black space" is an Aesthetic movement pier mirror. After the victorian period ended, women were experiencing more free time as artists. More people could afford curtains by then, instead of just the rich, so women would paint on these old pier mirrors they didn't need anymore. They're very rare now.
It's in my bedroom, at my house in the country, against the corner of the wall. I use it to check out my outfits. I'll take snappies once I get down there. See, don't you want to call important historic items something other than just "that thing"? That's kind of embarrassing when you're supposed to be a teacher. Where do you think some of the greatest artists of modern times got their ideas from? History.
That Dinshah Spectro Chromopathy quack machine is in a museum now. It's one of the only ones to ever surface made of wood, and not metal. I had to fully restore it.
The Fram Victory Cartridge is in one of my other pics, so I know you can see it. You just didn't want to take the time to look deep. It's from WWII. In an effort to help with the war, and supply of metal, Fram made all of their oil cartridges during that time of cardboard, and stamped them with the slogan "Saves Metal For Uncle Sam". That cartridge is nos, and I got it from the old man who's car was used in the Harry Truman Movie. I've got so much more, I could do this all week.
whats that thing...
...where a person takes everything someone says absolutely literally?
Thanks SO MUCH for the art history lesson. And Im so excited because now I know the truth. That was real cool of you to tell me about how Monet would not even have been able to understand Warhol and everything (!!!) Really! OMG. OMG OMG!!!!! But then, how later on, Warhol would still be great anyway! OMG!!! That is fucking awesome!! Thanks so much for pointing that all out. Especially since, like you know, I am a college teacher who has been teaching art as long as you have been alive, and doing art for longer than you have been alive, so this is a real eye opener for me!!!! YAY!!! I will have to hurry along and tell all of my students this new revelation! I understand now, and I guess I really didn't before. Thanks so much again for setting me straight.
It's snappy time.
This evening, I wore an ensemble that I have worn once before.,,but I liked it. A simple combination of Lilly Pulitzer and Gucci. I'm feeling very pastel. I feel fat. I feel love. I feel tangerine.
Cheerio and Moosechunks,
Aunt Mark
ps bar is open...drinks are on me.
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