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OregonPicker
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28/10/2011 1:10 am  

Did Richard Schultz really design this desk and was it actually produced by Knoll?

The dealer on 1stdibs states it as "being in the manner of" which has me questioning its authenticity.

Thanks

The link to the actual 1stdibs listing is below the pictures if you need more etc.

http://www.1stdibs.com/furniture_item_detail.php?id=386828
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niceguy
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28/10/2011 2:07 am  

the source
OregonPicker,
Call or write to Richard Schultz and ask the source. The solution is too easy. Do your own homework.


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Pegboard Modern
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28/10/2011 10:20 am  

No
He did not design that desk. He did design this one. Notice the detail where the chrome cross member goes through the surface of the desk.
Not only is the Schultz desk handsome, it's incredibly well built. But be warned if you have to move one, they weigh a ton!


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maxbernat
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28/10/2011 7:40 pm  

attitude
What's with the attitude niceguy? Do you know the answer or not? These questions are what the forum is for.


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TinyArmada
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28/10/2011 9:29 pm  

I agree
That response was harsh - I am sure the poster has done homework - we are not all as gifted as some at research.
P.S. I would like the answer too because I took a desk almost exactly like this with the styling in-laid chrome...and re-purposed it!
If I destroyed an expensive desk I want to know to teach me a lesson next time.
- A.S.


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jjschiller
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28/10/2011 9:30 pm  

I think niceguy
Was irritated because this is a Googlable question.
A simple Google image search shows that the legs should be square tubing, not rectangular, the legs should come through the desk top, rather than terminating under it. There shouldn't be a chrome border surrounding. The drawer bodies should be wooden not metal. There shouldn't be a center drawer with no facing on it at all... the left and right sides don't even have the right number of drawers on them, nor do they have pull out writing surfaces.
Which is to say there are many differences that can't be chalked up to 'available options,' and would have to be considered matters of production cost (legs not coming through the surface, rectangular tubing, metal drawer bodies) which would imply this isn't authentic.
This isn't a question that really needs to be asked. It's pretty easy for one to solve on one's own.


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Mark
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28/10/2011 9:38 pm  

.
I spent 15 years camped out behind this same desk. The badboy was bullet proof.
Carry on...
(edit) I do mean the Schultz model..and looking fabulous in my bespoke suits.


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diors
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28/10/2011 10:12 pm  

In the manner of...
I always thought that meant NOT the stated designer, but looks like it. So the listing on 1st Dibs is accurate.
Am I wrong?


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niceguy
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28/10/2011 11:37 pm  

eat forever
maxbernat and tinyarmada,
It is not a bad attitude. I remember being told that if you give a person a fish he will eat tonight and if you teach a person to fish he will eat forever. I thought this forum was to help people appreciate and "learn" about modern design. Doing someones homework will never help them learn.
The people at Richard Schultz have always been very helpful to me and the archivist at Knoll (both located in Pennsylvania) are also ready to assist anyone who takes the time to ask.
In todays world it is too easy to find both of these companies and contact them by email or telephone. OregonPicker is just too lazy to do a minimum amount of work.
I knew by looking at the posters photos that his POS was not a Richard Scultz design nor was it manufactured by Knoll.
jjschiller,
You are correct on all counts. I always thought that a "picker" had a profit motivation and I do not see a point in working for free to enrich others.


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pirx pilot
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29/10/2011 1:14 am  

fishing lessons
When I first learned to fish, lesson #1 one was to stay quiet and never raise your voice, Lesson #2 might have been to not get those sharp hooks into anyone standing next to you.
Do you fish, Niceguy?


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OregonPicker
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29/10/2011 1:31 am  

okay.
I did search google....are you kidding? I forgot I shared my web browser history with you..........
second...How would I know if he didn't produce more than one model of desk??!
When you google knoll desk and Richard Schultz desk you get several of these desks popping up so I thought I would ask because it seems there is a grey area in question. I assumed he had made several models of desks...
Why would you assume george nelson only made one shape of bubble lamp?...
take your fishing analogies else where. I am a fishermen with 3 boats and hoards of tall tailed stories...I have my fair share of analogies I can cast your way if I had more time and desire.
as for me looking for information to profit. I liked the desk and saw one a few weeks back that I really wanted. Found one locally and thought about fixing it up to use in my photography studio but since it is not knoll I really would rather not waste my time and space.
thanks to everyone who helped I really appreciate it.


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niceguy
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29/10/2011 3:21 am  

ask
OregonPicker,
You would know the answers if you ask the source. Richard Schultz and or Knoll is the source not google and not the forum.


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TinyArmada
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29/10/2011 6:37 am  

Come on...
Come on... I don't know everyone on here or the guy who started the thread and perhaps he is a lazy guy - I don't know...
But it just seems to me that it takes some experience in getting to know furniture and to learn if there are, or are not variations and so forth etc. etc.
Just seems like I'm in a school where there are those who have learned a lot mixed with those who have not. And those who have learned how to study seem a little unwilling to pass it on - maybe because they have done it so many times that they are sick of it.
Maybe newbies like me and others can help burden the load while realizing at the same time we help temporarily create a load - but isn't it a good idea to get more people on the boards - at the obvious cost of more questions?
If you don't like answering the guy's questions, then why bother putting in a reply at all?
- A.S.


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niceguy
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29/10/2011 9:06 am  

recognizing help
tinyarmada,
You will see from the previous thread that when I suggested going to the source the poster was more than pleased and got his answer immediately. His product was so obscure that a "quick google search" was not any help. I have spent many years collecting on a broad scale and I "always" contact the manufacturer first (if they are still in business) for the most reliable and fastest results. It is best to be able to recognize help when it is offered.
http://www.designaddict.com/design_addict/forums/index.cfm/fuseaction/th...


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Robert Leach
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29/10/2011 2:19 pm  

That's as maybe 'niceguy'
but it no more 'lazy' as you call it, to type an ID request here as contact a manufacturer.
Asking for an ID here is every bit as valid research as asking anywhere else, surely?
It is sometimes very effective, and other times not- much in the same way contacting a manufacturer might be- (assuming, that is) that the manufacturer is known and still exists.
Google often sends people here in their search as the site has very good search ratings- I'm often seeing my own posts or own pictures from here whilst searching on Google for other stuff.
(this is not to say the sheer number of 'drive by' IDs can't get tedious)


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