The person most immediately behind the unnamed is a person named Philippe Morateur. If you read the terms of service on the unnamed the is an address, which is the same address as the Morateur Gallery.
I will also point out that there are some linguistic similarities. For instance the unnamed's Twitter account right now shows a chair and asks if you know the "artist" you can make $100. Notice that Cindy above switched her language to saying a "major Danish artist". It is odd to refer to a designer as an artist.
Also, LeoCarb referred to posting his documentation next to pieces for sale in his gallery. And Cindy mentioned printing out her proof to stick inside the pieces she sells. Perhaps this is not a linguistic similarity per se, but it certainly is a surprisingly similar image being painted as a benefit of the service.
I also notice that it is extremely rare that anyone posts on this site that they know who designed something, but refuses to say who. Both LeoCarb and Cindy have indicated that they know who designed two different pieces and refused to say who. And in fact they have both pointed to the same service if anyone wants the answer. Suspicious similarity.
And many people run "galleries", but it should be noted that LeoCarb and Morateur both run a "gallery." And you usually see the works of "artists" in galleries, not designers.
It really would not be hard to create a straw account or 10 on this website by posting in a semi legit fashion for a little while so as to establish some cover, and the use your straw accounts for scam propaganda. And given how well ranked this site is on Google, there is a lot of incentive. At the prices the unnamed charges, it wouldn't take many suckers to see a decent return. And this site could easily drive that much traffic in suckers.
Once again, excellent deductions, Watson!
Since you have now convinced me beyond a reasonable doubt that the shell accounts of Leo and Cindy have a common link, I suppose I should share my own clues previously withheld due to giving the benefit of doubt.
CindyNY made it clear in "her" username that she was from New York. In her first post, she states she has recently opened a "little design shop" in New York with her brother, and to feel free to visit anytime. Yet no shop name is given. Makes it a bit difficult to visit then, no?
In a post a few days later, she makes an offhand comment that it is now "diner [sic] time here in NY". Who talks that way? I think someone who wants everyone to think "she" lives in New York, and not in LA, where both gallery and crappy pay website is based.
Finally there is reference to a famous auction house in Rockefeller plaza. Gee I wonder which city that is in.
I suppose if I had known more about the details of HJN/HNJ/Torring, then I would've been more skeptical from the start at all of the fast-moving updates, especially why Christie's would have any interest in such an average piece.
Can you imagine any legitimate business conducting an awareness campaign in such a comical fashion? My best advice to them would be to try to get a hold of a list of former Trump University students. That would be the best bet for increasing their customer base.
On the plus side, their efforts have been quite entertaining. Hopefully they haven't given up. I'd like to see how their next recruitment strategy presents itself.
in my opinion ,if i may share it ,is to stop talking about them. this is just free publicity. i have been in the marketing industry for years and i can see that their goal was to drag some attention ,which they did. the news on their website won't give me wrong :they don't fear bad reputation. That's just my feeling.
Well, I think the final thing that bears saying is that if I were going to spend money with them for a "proof," based on what they are putting out on this thread, I think it is reasonable to conclude they are selling forged "proofs."
Also, conveniently, we are no longer using the name, so it will be hard to connect too many dots.
Good morning. I stumbled on this thread while researching some HJN (possibly HNJ it appears) rosewood bedroom pieces. What I have been trying to learn (like the original poster) is if Nils Jonsson and HJN have any ties. So I feel that this thread would be an appropriate place for these questions.
All my pieces are stamped with the HJN/HNJ logo and "Made in Denmark", so that is not a question. But several of them also have a paper tag glued to the back with "LYON".
I have found pictures of a Troeds piece stamped "designed by Nils Jonsson", and "Model LYON".
Besides having very similar handles, could the matching Model names (LYON) point to a connection? Or were model names common and similar at the time?
Or because HNJ was Danish and Troeds was Swedish, is it more likely that HNJ "barrowed" the handle/pull design and also the name of Jonsson's designs?
Thanks in advance.
I would tend to think that the "LYON" is more likely to refer Lyon, France, perhaps as a shipping label. It definitely has no relationship to Troeds, or Nils Jonsson.
I think a corner of the Lyon label is visible, but I'd be happy to think about what it means if you post a photo of it.
Hello lief ericson. Thank you for your response. I learned some new things today by clicking on your name and reading posts you have created or commented in. I found that I will be making changes to some of my listings for other pieces of furniture.
I have five of HNJ/HJN pieces. All of them from the same previous owner, and all of them with the company markings on the back. But only three still have these paper tags. Here are pictures of two. One from a night stand and one from a vanity. All three tags are the same except for the three digit number starting with 2, those being 232, 233, and 237. The tags do appear old and my first guess would be that they have been on the cabinets since delivery.
I do see that a link between Jonsson and these pieces appears to be non-existent or at least less than concrete. I have therefore edited my descriptions and removed "designed by Nils Jonsson" from them. I had just assumed that since nearly EVERY ad description containing HJN Møbler also contains his name, that they would have been.
Thanks again!
The hand torn edges, small size, and incremtal numbers all suggest shipping labels.
And yes, the proper name is HNJ Møbler, which later became Tørring Møblelfabrik. And there is no connection to Nils Jonsson. The root of the misattribution has to be the similarity of the handles as you point out.
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