FWI, my request switched to “Hold” an hour ago. I understand someone seems to know who the designer is… but I still haven’t received anything. Did someone already try this service? I’m starting to be a little frustrated!
BTW, could someone tell me why my previous link was removed? I can see that many companies are listed in this forum and still online, not to mention all the links to 1stdibs.com (a direct competition to this site, right?)… why was mine so different?! Whatever.
Hi DrPoulet, thank you for the info, I'll check for it right away, unless CindyNY gets any news from this mysterious website?!
Hi CindyNY, I love the idea to gather old magazines in which your artworks are published! I should try that. If you get any documented source, please let me know. Thanks in advance.
Hello,
We have removed the link for a simple reason.
After 18 years of existence of DesignAddict, we have developed a sixth sense for detecting advertising that is more or less well disguised in the forum.
When in the same week, a company openly tries to attract some of our most loyal members to its site, when a person from that same company visits our linkedin accounts and that new members, recently registered on DA, add to their first posts links that lead to this same company, you don’t need to be a veritable genius to understand that it is probably no coincidence.
We have a broad policy for external links. If someone finds it useful to make a link to a competing site to illustrate a discussion in a useful way. No problem.
By cons, companies that try to take advantage of our generosity and that of our members by advertising will never be accepted in the forum and each of their attempt will only tarnish a bit more their reputation among our community.
So, if you have nothing to do with this company. Welcome on DesignAddict!
If not...
@DesignAddict: the only link I have with this company is trying out their design identification services _ since your forum failed at providing my brother and I with a documented proof. I had no intention to advertise this company… that I first read about on your own website!! I even paid $100 to get the info and share it with your community!! Now you insult me and imply that I might be some kind of spy?! I’m truly offended! I received this morning an indisputable proof for the designer’s identity (which is none of the ones listed above!). The company’s logo is on the sent document so I understand I can’t share it here… You want the info? Do as I did. Goodbye.
@Leif: I really appreciated your help and it was a pleasure meeting you.
This gets more an more interesting.
So what is the nature of the documentation provided? An ad from Mobilia? (which volume & page?) Some other magazine/periodical? (Which? issue & page?) The manufacturer's catalog? A retailer's catalog? (which?) Please tell me it is vintage and not an auction house....
And according to the website's user agreement you can indeed publicly display the documented proof, so post away.
Very curious here as well. I would be extremely surprised that the design is not from Peter Jensen or some other obscure danish designer...
Mobilia issues are not difficult to find if you know where to look at and have money to spend.
- ebay: there are always some on ebay.
- abebook: plenty of Mobilia available but pre 1970 issues can be expensive.
- dba (danish equivalent to "leboncoin"): Sometimes some issues or even collections pop out. Prices are generally pretty good but, from my own experience, sellers rarely answer to requests from abroad and shipping costs from Denmark to France are very expensive.
@DrPoulet: I hope you like surprises, because this secretary is not from Peter Jensen and according to the documented proof I was sent it’s a major Danish artist.
@leif ericscon: the provided proof is not an auction catalog and is from the 60’s, do you think it's vintage enough?
@Deja-Design: as said before, I don’t appreciate the way I was treated by DA administrators and won’t share the info on their forum. Wanna know who made it? Do as I did.
I have to admit that I am skeptical, and will continue to be skeptical of any "proof" until it has been submitted to "peer review." And I think that it is right and just that any such proof in any circumstance should be held to such a standard.
I hope that your future potential buyers will also want to check your "proof," and be rightly left doubting, and unwilling to pay you the price you ask. I do not mean this as against you, but rather in favor of the idea that truth should be publicly verifiable, and any so called proof that is not can be rightly regarded as false. And I wish that more buyers would hold to this standard.
So as a reasonable human being, I have to regard your "proof" as questionable until it can be verified. Again, this is not personal. Reason is no respecter of persons.
I think that the merits of design and conversation are worth you overlooking whatever (perceived) lack of appreciation you have against the owners of the site and sharing the information.
Ars longa, vita brevis.
Guys, I just got back from the Design department of the “quite famous” auction house located on Rockefeller Plaza in NY to get a valuation based on the documentation I have. According to these specialists, the provided document is totally legit (they have the full hard copy!)… and valuation is way beyond my expectations. Thank you again for your help.
Scientia potentia est
Cindy, the people on this forum who have assisted you (on this and other pieces) have done so out of an interest in improving the online attribution database that is available to everyone free of charge, not because they have anything to gain financially. I guess you could call it a pay-it-forward mindset. Therefore, I would be very surprised to see anyone else fork over $100 just to satisfy their curiosity. I'm glad it worked out for you.
It is certainly your prerogative to withhold any information gained from this forum, but your rationale is a bit confusing to me. People here were quite helpful for your requests, but now that an attribution has supposedly been authenticated, the identity is being withheld as some sort of "punishment"? The only punishment anyone here is getting is not getting to see how the story ends up. Ironically, it is in your best financial interests to make the "major Danish artist" of your piece as well known as possible to increase its value.
You may feel otherwise, but I have a hard time believing that whatever satisfaction you get out of withholding this info is a worthwhile trade off to any future assistance that you could receive on this site.
Finally, I beleive Patrick and Alix's response was directly towards a "Leo" who had made a few posts that were only intended to bring $ to his site. Somehow you took that personally when the link to his site was removed. I don't believe anyone here is disappointed that Leo has left the building. I am not.
CindyNY, I do not know who designed your secretary. Maybe it is by Peder Moos or an unique collaboration between Kaare Klint and Finn Juhl... However the FACT is that your secretary is quite common. Right now, there are two of them for sale on ebay (in rosewood!) and another one got sold a month ago. I could find a few others for sale for about the same price.
Rarity is an important factor when it comes to valuation. But what do I know, I am not a "quite famous" auction house...
Asinus asinum fricat (that probably explains why I keep on posting on this thread...).
If "Arenkiel" is not the whole story of who designed this line of furniture, then it has to be an in-house design, where Tørring/HNJ owned the copyright, even if the design was drafted by someone else.
There are some conclusions that can be drawn from this:
1. It would still be accurate to say that Arenkiel designed the pieces. And it would be accurate to say that someone else did too, or that it was a collaboration.
2. It is very hard to imagine a "major Danish designer" drafting in-house pieces for HNJ/Tørring. Perhaps if by "major" you mean minor....
Also, I am beginning to wonder about CindyNY. I tend to take people as honest, but I am beginning to wonder if CindyNY is the same person as Leo, and just realized they need to get more clever about advertising on this site. At this point I believe this is the most logical conclusion.
When Cindy was crowing about the proof she had received from that website, it seemed plausible that she was a naive seller who had been hoodwinked by a forged "proof" from the unnamed service. But now that she has claimed to have had her proof verified by "peer review" of a hard copy from an auction house, it has gone to the absurd. This would require us to believe this very unlikely proof exists. That a naive seller can walk into a major auction house and get them to validate said proof just like that. That a major auction house could have this proof and in spite of the enormous number of these pieces, and the huge value they would put on them, they have never sold a single one. That this new service got so popular so fast that someone else who had a copy of the very same contacted the service to collect $100 instead of using their proof to make significantly more re-selling one of these pieces.
All of that goes far beyond absurd. The sane, reasonable alternative is that Cindy is a shill for the operators of that service.
leif, your conjecture may very well be on the mark. Based on all the posts, as well as well as the two other threads that Cindy commented in, I still think there is the possibility the posts may be legit, if somewhat misguided.
If the posts are not legit, then I would say it is a poor effort to fool people into throwing money away for fools gold ID requests. Either way, my impression of the pay site and the people who promote it is much worse than if I never heard of it in the first place. I will now actively advise anyone I know against using the site, and will do so until death; either the site or myself, whichever comes first. Cheers, Leo.
By the way, as of this evening, you now only need to throw away a U.S. Grant instead of a Ben Franklin for a day's visit.
On a related note, anyone who is interested in IDing Danish Modern pieces has found their way to DA at some point. So there is a high likelihood that a previous active poster(s) is behind the new pay site.
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