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Redbull
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20/10/2009 9:33 pm  

I am thinking to buy a second hand Le Corbusier Petite 3 Seater for 800 and the one seater for 500. They are made by Alivar. The only thing is the leather is a bit cracked but only at the joints as the previous owner has used the wrong products for cleaning. (The joints are not white-ish as opposed to black). However apart from that the leather on all other areas are in good condition, The support are not even sunk in at all. The reason why the owners are selling this piece is because they are downsizing to a smaller area.

What do you guys think? I do not have a picture..

Any tips will be greatly appreciated


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william-holden-...
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20/10/2009 9:49 pm  

How much did these two pieces originally retail for?
I tried googling but one has to email them for a price.
Once you've determined how the seller's resale price compares to original retail, you can decide if the minor flaws are something you can repair or live with.
An additional advantage of buying secondhand is immediate possession, no sales tax, and free (do-it-yourself) delivery.
There's no "correct" decision.


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Redbull
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20/10/2009 11:19 pm  

True
Anyone knows how much a brand new one retails for now? or a second hand one for that maker or DWR or Cassina
BTW, the price is in Dollars.
Anyone else.....


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chewbacca rug (USA)
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21/10/2009 12:32 am  

knock-off.......
you should be aware that Alivar makes knock-off corbusier pieces.... it aint really worth anything more than any normal used piece of furniture would be.
$800 is too much !


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Redbull
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21/10/2009 1:17 am  

ALivar
Hi
The quality of Alivar and Cassina frm what i have heard are very close. At the very least, Alivar is the closest to Cassina.......
The next issue is only Cassina has the rights to reproduce Le Corbusier sofa.
Also, from what i heard, Alivar the 3 seater (petite) is 4k 5 years ago (not sure of the price now). The other knock off are really bad (like the cheap ones in china). I think the ones from Cassina are 2 to 3 times more expensive than Alivar
Any opinions?


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RetroSixty
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21/10/2009 2:47 am  

I am afraid a knock off is a...
I am afraid a knock off is a knock off, good quality or not. IMO save your money and try to find a 'cheap' Cassina or a different design. The problems mentioned too are not great, so I would think $800 is too much as mentioned above.


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Redbull
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21/10/2009 11:52 am  

woah
It is actually very interesting to see different views on this.
The way that i see is if before 1970 (??), Alivar was one of the maker of the LC sofa and its just after 1970, the licensing rights were given to Cassina.
The standards are the same as i would think that Alivar will still adhere to to produce a good quality sofa.
Its also interesting to note that for example for some other nice pieces of furniture, the rights are given to more than one manufacturer.
Keep the opinions coming
thx


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chewbacca rug (USA)
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21/10/2009 12:00 pm  

1964.....
it seems like you arbitrarily selected the year 1970 on a whim.....
in 1964 le corbusier himself declared cassina the sole manufacturer and repository of his designs and rights.
alivar has about as much to do with le corbusier as General Motors does.
alivar never had any right to produce le corbusier designs. ever. unfortunately simply wishing does not make it so.
i would offer half of what they are asking and not go any higher.


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Redbull
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21/10/2009 1:06 pm  

thanks very much for the...
thanks very much for the advice...
what about the fact that a brand new one 3 seater cost 6 to 8k from alivar? is that true?


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Redbull
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22/10/2009 2:09 am  

Correct me if i am wrong but...
Correct me if i am wrong but if brand new the one seater is 4k plus from Alivar and i am getting it for 500...is that not a good deal?


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Light.Folio
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22/10/2009 8:59 am  

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As William had mentioned above, there's no "correct" decision. Good deal or not, it is entirely subjective. One person's pot of gold maybe anothers garbage. Working in the Interior Design field, I once had a client that spent $10,000 on a vintage jean prouve chair, for him, he could justify the price simply because he had dreamed of such piece for years.
Maybe you should ask yourself the following questions, how much do you actually want these pieces? Do you want them so much that you would pay $800? what about $4,000 or $10.000 if your budget allows? If you were one day to sell them, do you think others would want to buy it for $800?
Plus, in your posts above, seems like you already answered your own questions 😉


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maniqz
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23/10/2009 11:56 am  

a knock off is a knock...
a knock off is a knock off...no matter how it looks exactly as the original...i got a reproduction chair that looks exactly as the original...no matter how i convince myself that the repro is way much better than the original, in the back of my mind i am still longing for the original...but again it's a very subjective issue.


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Light.Folio
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23/10/2009 12:09 pm  

ditto!
I too have problems owning a knock-off! was given a "fake" vintage wassily and I desperately want to get rid of it. However, I know a lot of people who have no problem owning a knock-off...


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Redbull
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23/10/2009 12:12 pm  

knock off
Ok, i do agree that a knock off is a knock off but imo, it is on the best knock off since alivar has a good porfolio if you look at the clients.
I would not be able to afford the cassina ones.
so the big qyestion is it a right price to pay?
the alivar do comes with a certificate proving its from them


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chewbacca rug (USA)
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24/10/2009 6:13 am  

go ahead and buy it.....
you don't need our permission...


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