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barrympls
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29/01/2009 12:25 am  

It went for $650.00
Yes, I wasn't too worried about replicating the missing three wood slats - although they're probably walnut and it could've gotten pricey.
I stopped at $400.00 because I have had bad luck getting an untested wind-up wall clock repaired. If it had been too tightly wound, or if there's any rusting, then the motor is not any good and cannot be repaired. Apparently no one currently makes a replacement wind-up motor (damn that Howard Miller).
So, $400.00 was my limit for a clock that couldn't be sure could be restored. If it has a wind hole in the clock face, I jolly want it to work as a wind clock.
It is a rare clock, and quite beautiful, but the chap who paid $650.00 for it might not be so happy if it turns out to be a dud.


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29/01/2009 5:25 am  

to much money for me ,...
to much money for me , thats why i passed no more projects for me for 650. that is not chump change for a broken clock, but if this guy has parts and can restore it to perfect more power to him.


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01/02/2009 12:07 am  

Just got this one
it's just under 8" across, has a brass pendulum hanging below the clock and had an opening plexiglas cover on the face for winding.
It's #631 and marked "Meridian", but the back says Howard Miller.
Very nice quality....Umanoff?


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01/02/2009 3:37 am  

very cool 60s looking
very cool 60s looking


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01/02/2009 6:42 am  

It's an Umanoff design.
MidMod50 asked the same question of it a few weeks back in this same thread, but about model # 630, the desk version of the same clock.


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01/02/2009 6:55 am  

It just shows that Umanoff made good clocks too
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01/02/2009 7:19 am  

True.. a few are nice.
I have a couple Umanoff clock designs, but I still think Nelson Associates designs are nicer and more original ( and better made). I do have an Umanoff tea/drink cart that is very nice...wrought iron and wood and rush. It, along with some of his other furniture designs, are quite good. They often get mis-credited as McCobb designs.


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01/02/2009 5:23 pm  

I have that exact same teacart
it was part of a pretty vast collection of funky furniture Umanoff designed for Raymor.
I'm still looking around for a biography on Arthur Umamoff and more information on Raymor, but cannot find anything on the web.
Umanoff must have died and since Raymor no longer exists, you'd think it would be a good theme for a nice book.


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02/02/2009 4:37 am  

i have no idea why Umano...
i have no idea why Umanoff opted for the heavy wood that Howard miller was making in the early 70s some if those clocks weigh as much as 15 lbs, and they have just paper on the face i have 5 of them.


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04/02/2009 5:21 pm  

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If this clock a Nelson (associates) design? It's number 571 and has the same hands as the most early Nelson clocks.
It's certainly made from many of the same components as the Ball Clock.


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04/02/2009 8:33 pm  

i own that a clock and it ...
i own that a clock and it is a umanoff design one of the first he worked on, that is why the hands were changed, but the rest of the components are from Nelson clocks


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05/02/2009 4:16 pm  

One more designer to add to...
One more designer to add to the list of Nelson and associates. Lucia DeRespinis, designer of the turbine clock and the eye clock. Or did Harper take credit for those too?
http://shannonsouth.com/pratt/pages/Derespinis.html


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barrympls
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05/02/2009 6:11 pm  

Norm...I don't think Irving Harper has taken credit
for all of the clocks, but it's so damn unclear as to whom actually designed which clock.
George Nelson was not fair in having Herman Miller and Howard Miller use his individual name for all products designed at his firm, "George Nelson Associates". It make one think that Nelson himself designed everything attributed to him without any outside help.
It makes me wonder if anything listed as being designed by Charles and Ray Eames was designed by a member of their group, too.
If I was writing a Nelson book, I'd give full credit like this:
Marshmellow Sofa
designed by Irving Harper for George Nelson Associates
Turbine Clock
designed by Lucia DeRespinis for George Nelson Associates
and in the case of anything currently available from either Herman Miller or Vitra...that's JUST what they should do!


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06/02/2009 2:45 am  

norm and barry
the new Vitra book on George Nelson, which lists 130-some clocks, gives Harper credit on about 42 designs from 1949 to 1961; it gives Lucia DeRespinis credit on designing 3 clocks in 1957: the Eyeclock, the Spool Clock, and one other, model #2237 (some call it the Snowflake). It gives credit for the Turbine (or Knifeblade) to Harper. I don't really agree with them on this. Some of the other designers credited for clock designs are: Charles Pollack, Don Ervin, Ron Jacobs(1962) and William Cannan (1965) who designed the Zootimers clocks. Most of the clocks in the Vitra book are not credited to anyone.
I agree that it is good to know who really designed which clocks, and in the last several years more and more designers are getting the recognition they deserve. But sometimes, Barry, you talk like Nelson was purposely suppressing this information, and you can't accept that it was a common practice to give all designs the firm's name instead of the individual designer's name.
Nelson did credit to Harper in interviews: "We were all involved in cooking up these clocks, and Irving (Harper), in the end , was the one who made them complicated, beautiful, and so on." (George Nelson: The Design of Modern Design 1995) or, "Harper, responsible for the clocks' final development, kept it as close to its abstract beginnings as possible." (Design 1935-1965 What Modern Was 1991) The same book also credited Harper for the development of the Marshmallow Sofa. So you see, Irving Harper has been getting some credit for some time now.
Harper says that he " designed all of the Howard Miller clocks, in addition to several other lines....until the late 1950s when a small number of clocks were designed by others." (Design 1935-1965 What Modern Was). I hope Irving Harper does not feel cheated by George Nelson in any way. I think they had a wonderful working relationship and I don't recall ever reading anything by Harper saying otherwise.
One thing you really have to give Nelson credit for is that he convinced Howard Miller to hire all the great talent they had: Ray and Charles Eames, Noguchi, Laszlo, Harper, Girard, and others. By all means, give Irving Harper, and others, all the credit they deserve, but please quit throwing your shoes at George Nelson.


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06/02/2009 3:20 pm  

I was throwing my shoe at...
I was throwing my shoe at Harper...not Nelson:)


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