I want to purchase some chairs and was wondering if anyone knows the advantages/disadvantages between Modernica's Eiffel Chairs with fiberglass shells("case study") versus Design Within Reach's Eames chairs made of plastic. The Fiberglass reflects light so much better but I hear it's not enviro-friendly and it breaks easily...Help?
They say it is more environme...
They say it is more environmentally friendly but I don't know how.
I would get Modernica or buy an older Herman Miller or Vitra shell and put an eiffel base on it. Besides the fact that it is plastic the other way the new Vitra edition is not true to the original is it's eiffel base. The base is shaped differently. The legs are spread out alot wider. In my opinion it looks like an eiffel base that a really heavy person sat on and it squashed down.
One of the main reasons the Eames shell chair was revolutionary was its use of fiberglass.
recycling
the issue here is the recycling advantages.
"plastic" can be recycled and fiberglass can't (at least in a easy way).
there's another issue... the resins to make the fiberglass are more toxic than the plastic manufacturing process.
i don't believe that the fiberglass can bring issues about breaking in this chair design.
symantics
why do you guys always get wrapped up in symantics?
it is very arrogant ans annoying to correct one's writing. especially when you are incorrect. it is certainly fiberglass (two esses) the material is made from fibres of glass.....
stop wasting your time..
and whitespike is correct.. the material question is moot. no one is recycling the chair. the original chair was fiberglass not plastic... buy a vintage shell. the reissues of anything are junk especially when you can buy the original for the same amount or even less!!
without enlarging...
the discussion with other than technical considerations, my choice would be the thermoplastic version. Glass fiber re-enforced polyester is not only the result of a less environmental process it can hardly be re-cycled (as pointed out already) I would not worry too much about the way the thermoplastic is re-cycled. Even if it would go to the dump, the time that we will "mine" dumps is not that far away. Unfortunately we have been wasting oil by burning it so we forgot that it is also the main source of raw material for plastics and plastics are so essential in insulation, light weight packaging etc. that we will not be able to replace it. It is the same old story. To recycle (re-melt) glass for a one liter bottle, you need enough energy (oil) to make dozens and dozens of plastic milk bags, and a returned bottle will only last 8 cycles (avarage)...back to the plastic shell. One reservation that I would have is that too often thermoplastic shells are not well constructed, especially when they replace an older technology like in this case. I use the Richard Sapper chairs from Magis around the table and I handle them with care, yet some of the stress points show the typical polypropylene "whitening" Often the fixing points have to be the same, to fit the original frame but unfortunately they can not from a construction and durability point of view. So have a close look before you buy.
I don't think the recycling...
I don't think the recycling bit will be an issue. Anyone stupid enough to take the chairs to a recycling center shouldn't own them anyway.
Personally, I would go with the fiberglass option considering it is more true to the original. However, why not just buy an original? It is sometimes actually cheaper to buy the original than to buy a remake.
And buying an original vintage piece would make the whole recycling point moot. The most economically-friendly solution would be to buy the vintage piece. Then you won't need to worry about all the energy, materials, etc used to produce a new chair.
Modernica vs. DWR continued...
So, I had attempted to buy four shells on Ebay (following the whole idea of "recycling"). But after sending the image to the Modernica's NY showroom, they replied that they would have to be "reshock mounted". Therefore sent from Minneapolis (the seller's residence)to LA then to me in Texas. Besides all the charges that would accrue to reshock them, the whole idea of shipping to three states seem counter to the idea of "recycling". So, although not PC to some, I will probably go with ordering them directly from Modernica's website.
Thanks to all for such an interesting discussion.
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