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07/08/2008 9:03 am  

LOL, ok, so the ONE wood I thought I could identify
I guess I can't, LOL.
I just so suck at this.
Anyway, thanks for the info! Mahogany you say eh? And somehow I always thought it was a "library" table, but I don't know the difference between that and an entry/sofa table.
What makes it a library table anyway?


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07/08/2008 7:43 pm  

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Back in the day when people had libraries in their homes, the table in that room was either square or rectangular and it had either no stretchers or one long stretcher down the middle so it didn't get in the way of people's feet when they sat there to read. As less and less people began to have libraries, they started using these long old library tables against a wall in the hall or behind their sofa. The rectangular ones are usually not wide enough to use in the dining room.
So you could call yours a hall table or library table or even an occasional table. I wouldn't call it a sofa table, because true old sofa tables (19th c.) usually had drawers and drop leaves on the ends.
If you're going to sell it, call it a library table--it sounds fancier and you'll get more money for it!


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07/08/2008 8:01 pm  

Ah... spoken like a true antiques dealer, Riki
"hall table" = $, "occasional table" = $$, "library table" = $$$
The trick to selling old furniture successfully is to affix the 'right' high-status description, intimidating the buyer into submission.


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07/08/2008 9:18 pm  

And
Occasional library hall table = $$$$$$!!!!!!1111


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08/08/2008 12:34 am  

Is that wood stained Pine ?
Is that wood stained Pine ?


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08/08/2008 3:11 am  

Pine? I don't think so, but then I thought it was oak
And maybe it really does have a heavy coat of polyurethane.
Thing is, it's too short to sit at, so how could it be a library table? I'd think those would be taller.
And what's up with the term "occasional" table? I mean, every table I have is a full-time table. I could see calling one of those tilt tables, or a folding table, a TV tray table, any of those I could see calling an occasional table, since part of the time they truly are not tables at all, at least functionally. Or perhaps they are tables only used on certain occasions, like birthdays. In which case I'd call them a birthday table, or a Christmas table, or whatever.
Anyway, I have a couple others that I also don't know what to call. The 2-tiered one I've seen called a dumbwaiter, a lamp table, a 2-tiered table, a side table and other names I've forgotten. The square one, I have no idea beyond side table, but even then, it's not really.
Also, on the round one, the legs, would they be considered cabriole? It's sort of a modern take on that, though - is there a name for this specific style?
:shrug:


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08/08/2008 3:50 am  

In the antique trade tables...
In the antique trade tables that are used occassionaly like for serving tea or holding books etc are called ocassional tables.Its a catch all but I guess if you are looking for tag words to be picked up by ebay then maybe its not such a winner.
If its ebay just list it eames,nelson,baughman,panton table that ought to get you a few hits 🙂


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08/08/2008 7:25 am  

Confusing table names
The reason your library table is short is because it's not that old. It dates from the 20's or 30's and it's really just a facsimile of a library table. Real old library tables don't have glass inserts. It was never meant to be used in a library, just behind a sofa or where ever.
The two-tiered table is just that. The legs are a modern version of a Queen Anne cabriole leg but they do not have the pronounced knee that an older table would have. That base is just called a tripod base. Do the tiers tilt? Because then you could call it a two-tiered tilt top table. (Say that three times fast). Are there any carvings on the very end of the feet? You could then call it a ball and claw foot. That table is from the 30's or 40's and probably made of walnut, I can't tell from the picture. It's worth about 75 bucks, unless the tops tilt, then it's worth more.
The other table I would need to see in more detail. I'm intrigued by that delicate foot. It resembles a 19th c. work table, in which case it may be worth quite a bit.
Before you ask, work tables are similar to sewing tables. Ladies gathered them around in the parlor when their friends came over to use to put their needlework or tea cups or pincushions or, if they were really good friends, scotch glasses on.


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08/08/2008 8:07 am  

Thanks Riki
I sort of thought that about the library table (based on your prior comments re: repros) but my fingers and brain didn't quite coordinate with each other when I asked that.
As for the square table, I will get some detailed photos - it does have some very interesting detail, although it seems to me like it's somewhat primitive, or home-made, maybe Arts & Crafts era? It's not very sturdy at all, which is why I raised my eyebrows when you said "work table" - although maybe if it's just pincushions and teacups, and an occasional scotch glass (oh! an occasional table!) then perhaps...
And about the two tiered non-tilt-top tripod table: how funny that I just opened up a 1937 issue of House Beautiful and saw this little ad!


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08/08/2008 8:29 am  

Detail of square table
Mahogany?


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08/08/2008 8:31 am  

and more
details


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08/08/2008 9:15 am  

Victorian
It's a Victorian era, circa 1890 mahogany side table. Worth a little more than the other two, like 175 retail. Is the top cracked or stained or watermarked? You would have to mark it down. Sometimes people in the 40's and 50's put these outside on their porches (because, to them, they were ubiquitous and expendable and "dated") and exposed them to the elements and the tops will show alot of wear so you have to be careful. If the top looks to be in good shape, sell it! BTW, you can describe the table as "Eastlake" because of those classic concentric circles on the feet. (But that's not going to increase the price, because Eastlake furniture is nondesireable and inexpensive).
P.S. Where are you selling all of this stuff? on ebay? or have you rented booth space in an antique mall? Just curious.
The reason I ask is that it looks to me like your spare room is overflowing! If you are in California, isn't it going to be hard to get rid of 20's through 40's generic furniture?


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08/08/2008 9:26 am  

Where am I selling? Good question
Up until now, I haven't been selling (well, I sell a few little things on ebay, but certainly not furniture -- not yet anyway)
I would probably just list it on craigslist and see what happens. More than anything I just need to free up space for my new MCM preciousnesses. I'm just tired of all the ornate stuff, not that anything I have is really that ornate, but I so much prefer the simple clean MCM style.
The top is not cracked but it does have plenty of wear and tear, but nothing that couldn't be refinished out I suppose.
Thanks for the expert advice Riki! :waves:


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08/08/2008 9:43 pm  

Neither of
Dashes's tables is mahogany, other than in color; both appear to me to be oak, certainly the second one, though either could be a softwood like pine. In the last photo above, the leg nearest the camera looks a lot like oak; a close look at that darker grain would reveal the open "bundled tubes" characteristic of oak. These are absent in mahogany. This characteristic is easily seen in the end grain (leg tops, etc) of oak.
The light-colored portions of pine can easily be dented with a fingernail. Do this test on a hidden surface, of course !
The strong difference between open and closed (dark and light, respectively, when stained) and relatively regular and wide-spaced grain in oak is not usually found in mahogany to this degree. It's true that it helps to have seen a great deal of both woods, in the raw, in order to be confident of the identification. . .!


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09/08/2008 5:34 pm  

The second table looks to be...
The second table looks to be pitch pine and I think the first is stained pine or another inexpensive soft wood that is used in the making of unspectacular furniture.


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