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23/08/2008 6:50 am  

I know this board generally disses Frank Lloyd Wright, however, I find myself in the great northwest (of the US) this weekend and have a chance to tour Kentuck Knob and Fallingwater. I'm going to go in two days time but want to know if any of y'all have already done this, and if so, was it worth it?

Anything I should notice, in particular?

http://www.fallingwater.org/


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Monochrome
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23/08/2008 8:16 am  

Both houses well worth visiting
Fallingwater, of course. Pay attention to the windows.
But the Knob will show you a less-well-publicized side of FLW.
See them both, then meet me back here to compare notes.


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23/08/2008 9:46 am  

we dis frank?
i haven't noticed the disrespect.
anyway, i've been to fallingwater and wouldn't hesitate to go back. a genuinely remarkable piece of work indeed. the guest house is nothing to wink at either.
well worth the effort. enjoy.


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23/08/2008 8:05 pm  

Not only did I really like...
Not only did I really like kentuck knob the house, Its owners have it full of great mid century furniture. On top of that, the grounds are a large modern art sculpture park with many great pieces, including several bertoia somnambinents. It was a fantastic surprise to see all the art and furnishings as well as the house. A triple treat!


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23/08/2008 11:11 pm  

Perhaps I'm confused
but last I checked Fallingwater aka the Kaufman House was in western Pennsylvania. Is not the Northwestern part of the United States generally considered the Seattle, Portland areas. Lots of travel in a weekend to also take in Western PA. Good luck.


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24/08/2008 8:20 am  

My typo
BTM--you are the only one who caught that typo. I meant that I found myself in the northwestern part of Pennsylvania, not the US as a whole. Sorry. Anyway, I have an 11 a.m. tour with brunch at Kentuck Knob tomorrow followed by a tour at 2 p.m. at Fallingwater. No pics allowed at either tour, so I will only be able to report verbally. I am really psyched.
KDC-the thread on this site where FLW got trashed was called "Father of MCM" from August 12th.


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24/08/2008 8:29 am  

Enjoy,
Riki -- I can't wait for the report.
We discussed Fallingwater briefly here in 2004. Here's an excerpt:
[Ed Kaufmann, jr] describes a sudden and severe storm-flood in 1959 which brought water --rising "far above the living room floor" -- into the house via the bridge to the guest wing, with the stair there becoming "a cascade. The wind was violent. . .the house was hung with pendant scaffolding of heavy timber, as we had begun to repaint. The scaffolding was caught in the wind and shook the whole house like a terrier shakes a rat. I was there. . .To release the scaffolding was impossible. . . In four or five hours the storm abated. The damage to the house [was] nil.")
[Architect Paul] Rudolph says "One senses that the house 'grows' from the ground but, paradoxically, it also 'hovers.' It is the first space ship, majestically gracing its lovely valley for the rest of time. It is so real, so tangible, so palpable, so wrought of permanent materials, and yet, simultaneously, it has a mythical quality, as if it exists only in one's dream"


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24/08/2008 8:56 am  

enjoy.
it will be memorable if you allow it to be.
Photos are not that important. It really is a very
personal experience. It will change the way you look at living.


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24/08/2008 8:19 pm  

Whew, for a moment I thought that
there might be another Fallingwater that I was unaware of. The house is amazing, art from the outside but perhaps not so livable on the inside, narrow halls and such. The Kaufmans were absolute visionaries though, they built another significant house in Palm Springs if I'm not mistaken.


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25/08/2008 5:42 am  

Just got back
Wow. We just got back and I have a few minutes to give you some first impressions before I have to skip out to dinner.
I really, really enjoyed the extended tour (2 hr. 15 min.) of Kentuck Knob. Y'all were right. The present owner, Lord Palombo (sp?) of London (who is one of Fergie's daughter's godfather) was once the head of the arts council of Great Britain and his collection of furnishings and art are the creme de la creme. We had brunch in the original owner's (the Hagans) art studio (an area where the regular tours don't get to enter) and sat in vintage Bertoia chairs at a FLW table and my (generic) glass coffee mug was placed on a FLW coaster and I had only been there 10 minutes and I was already swooning!
Quick things off the top of my head:
1. Y'all were right. FLW was a huge control freak. More later.
2. Mrs. Hagan's Frigidaire fold-down counter-top stove circa 1953, was the coolest thing I saw. I will try to find a picture of one. I am covetous.
3. Two of the hallways were only 21 and 19 inches wide, thereby forcing Lord Palombo to load his Eames chairs through the windows of the respective bedrooms into the home.
4. Saw a real butterfly stool for the first time. Perfect.
Gotta go, more later.


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25/08/2008 5:55 am  

Soak the stain in cold...
Soak the stain in cold water, then launder as you would normally.


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25/08/2008 7:31 am  

It's Art, folks.
It ain't real estate -- it's building as art. Love it or leave it to someone else.
At least you made it home safe !


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25/08/2008 7:40 am  

glad you had a good time...
glad you had a good time i would love to see the house , as you know i am such a big fan of FLW We have Westhope here in Tulsa owned by Chicken heir Barbra Tyson, and i drive by all the time, just to get ideas, since i will not be able to buy west hope any time soon. I have created my own Frank Lloyd Wright, getting close,


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26/08/2008 7:52 am  

More
Baron Peter Palumbo did purchase Kentuck Knob from the Hagans as a piece of art to add to his collection. He already owned Farnsworth by Mies van der Rohe. He and his family did use it up until '96 as a vacation home but it was really just too small for them. He has 6 grown kids and the house only has 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. So he deeded it over to a Penna. conservancy and bought the adjoining 200 yr. old farmhouse and surrounding 500 acres. So the Palumbos are still around in the summer and they still have the use of Kentuck Knob for dinner parties, etc.
When you walk into the stone foyer, he has two Carlo Bugatti chairs on either side of a teeny 17th c. William and Mary server. On top of the server is a mounted triceratops vertebrae. Talk about mixing your eras!
The house required the general contractor to purchase and place 800,000 pounds of stone to FLW's exact specs. The GC was so pissed at FLW by the end of the job, who only visited the site for 2 hours during it's entire design and construction, that he pulled a major no-no and very prominently in the foyer wall placed a square piece of pink stone as his signature. This was in response to FLW's sending a Cherokee Red fired tile with his signature on it that was to be mounted front and center into the wall right outside the front door. 1953 drama.
More later. I don't want to bore you.
http://www.kentuckknob.com/index.html


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26/08/2008 8:22 am  

Great
tale ! More, more. . .
I like these unique reminiscences. They mean so much more to me than the cliche'd myths and oft-repeated shockers that pass for history. More important still are the first-person observations of the present-day visitor. Thanks for sharing.


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