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29/07/2007 6:11 am  

Gang, I'm not disputing the c...
Gang, I'm not disputing the chair's attributes, but let us not revise history here. I thought this was a well known fact. Certainly not obscure information by any means -- the snippet I typed in was taken from Pat Kirkham's excellent and thorough biography/overview, but that's not the only instance I've read of Charle's feelings re. the 670.
As for Herman Miller -- naturally they wouldn't promote their product with Charle's own faint praise, but it doesn't subract that he was clearly not crazy about the chair.
I'm not lambasting the chair and I don't think that even if Charles flat out detested the chair that it would invalidate its appeal to someone else, which is pretty much what he summarized himself.
Besides, stating something has an ugliness to it doesn't necessarily mean it's ugly, and I'm not just talking semantics.


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29/07/2007 6:20 am  

LRF -- not to nitpick, but he...
LRF -- not to nitpick, but he actually made that remark at the outset of the task of designing a lounge chair -- meaning it's what he wanted to achieve.
"Charles used all-American temrinology when he stated that the chair should have the 'warm receptive look of a well-used first baseman's mitt.'"


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29/07/2007 6:52 am  

well at the end of the day ...
it's all in preference. I, for one, don't like everything to be "too designy." It has a certain look to it that is both conventional and unconventional - with it's wood and leather construction, but held up by a metal base. It's hardly as intimidating aesthetically as an egg chair or womb to the layman. I don't know how you use it, but to me it's ridiculously comfy. As for the redo, sounds like your 'professional' job was done by a quack. Alfie at humemodern.com redid a friend of mine's 670 and it seems to be ready for another 30 years of use.
I am suprised to hear that some people view it as nothing more than good window shopping material and as a sculptural object (when it is clearly designed for function over aesthetics ... aka "a sort of ugliness to it"). It's the antithesis to the la chaise, which is visually pleasing to the extreme (and "designy") and a pain to use. I personally view the plywood series as more of a failure. That series is seriously uncomfortable, hard to get out of, hard on the ass, and low on the back. Yet, Charles liked it better ... maybe on the standpoint of as an affordable design (aka "a better solution").
Either way, I am just amused by the responses I am reading ... fun.


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29/07/2007 7:10 am  

The "ugliness" comment was Ch...
The "ugliness" comment was Charles'...it was my personal take that the inverse was true when I said I think it is nice to look at in a window (or in someone else's place) but not very accomodating/yielding. I am tall, so that probably figures. I think the Egg without tilt is pretty rigid, too, but nice to look at.


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29/07/2007 7:11 am  

The "ugliness" comment was Ch...
The "ugliness" comment was Charles'...it was my personal take that the inverse was true when I said I think it is nice to look at in a window (or in someone else's place) but not very accomodating/yielding. I am tall, so that probably figures. I think the Egg without tilt is pretty rigid, too, but nice to look at.


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29/07/2007 2:41 pm  

Phillips television designed...
Phillips television designed by Charlotte Perriand, I'd be delighted if I was wrong.
http://cgi.ebay.ie/VINTAGE-PHILIPS-TELEVISION-RETRO-SPACE-AGE-PANTON-ERA...


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29/07/2007 6:26 pm  

LRF
What was your point with the link to Herman Miller?


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29/07/2007 10:46 pm  

if you want you should ta...
if you want you should take a look it show Eames and Arleen Francis on the Today show in 1956. It shows how he put it together in a matter of minutes
It looks like to me he was pretty proud of his chair.


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01/08/2007 9:53 am  

According to this guy,...
According to this guy, Charles designed this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/1960s-retro-charles-eames-chair_W0QQitemZ16014153083...


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01/08/2007 10:11 am  

trying to take adavatntage...
trying to take adavatntage of people like that is pretty low.
I did find out Charlotte Perriand did work for Philips and did a heat lamp but thats all I could find, who knew?


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03/08/2007 9:18 am  

those are really ugly
those are really ugly


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03/08/2007 11:49 am  

I can sum up those sheep DCMs in one word:
Barf


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03/08/2007 10:51 pm  

adaptations of design
I'd like to her any stories of things designs you've seen that has been tampered with like this. Sometimes it's just plain funny.
Two I've seen besides this: I know of this library in my home town that has Knoll sofas. In order to "update" them they recovered them in a gorgeous mauve and green floral pattern. Yikes.
This one was actually kind of interesting. I once found an old eiffel base (yes, no chair on it) with wheels. It was indeed a real eiffel base that someone had welded casters onto.


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