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MerryBlvd
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22/10/2011 2:21 am  

Update: Thanks to everyone for your input so far. The ottoman does not swivel. My loc is US. I added 3 pictures of the cushion removed to the Flickr set:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/68711482@N07/sets/72157627822212095/

Found Eames lounge chair & ottoman abandoned in machine shop of my studio. I've sold all kinds of shell chairs from rare rope edge swivel DAW to common classroom wide bases. I can tell those from a mile away. However, I haven't really dealt with any 670/671 before, not in person. Everything tells me it's real but I still remain skeptical. The rosewood veneer looks too good to be on a repro. 5-star, 4-star base configurations on chair & ottoman respectively. Base metal is black on the side silver on top. Leather is real, I know that much for sure. The only thing missing to me is the Herman Miller tag. Does anyone know of any other telltale signs that might reveal one way or the other? Also planning to repair damaged plywood on attaching point between back & seat. Shockmounts are still in place. One side is good, only one side is damaged, any ideas? Thanks for your time and help in advance.

More pics on my flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/68711482@N07/sets/72157627822212095/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/68711482@N07/sets/72157627822212095/
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22/10/2011 2:54 am  

Real
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tktoo
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22/10/2011 3:20 am  

Hmmm... I'm not convinced.
I'm not digging the screw heads and the visible edge of the shock mount looks too shiny.
Octoeff, are you in the US? Could you pop off a cushion or two and show us what's underneath?


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22/10/2011 6:40 am  

Did I miss the Flickr link, or did you edit that in later?
Looking at the big pictures on Flickr, I have to admit that I'm less certain about my original snap assessment... But I'm not ready to call it a fake yet. Like Tktoo, I'd like to see more.


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hamacbleu
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22/10/2011 10:04 am  

Ottoman aligment
The aligment of the ottoman seems weird...If it's real it is has to be the Vitra version... Does the base of the ottoman can swivel on the vitra version? that would explain the weird aligment....


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claus (DE)
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22/10/2011 12:48 pm  

base & veneer
that's the european (vitra) base, so as you are in the US that's strange to begin with.
Also the chair looks rather new, but rosewood veneer was discontinued by vitra in the 70s (or 60s?). Armrest seem too large. And no, vitra ottomans don't swivel.
to me it looks like a chinese copy that failed quickly and was disposed of.


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tktoo
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22/10/2011 6:16 pm  

Also, Herman Miller
counter-veneered the panels with mismatched pieces of the same species as the face veneers - a recommended practice where long-term stability is concerned. I'm assuming Vitra did this also. That's not the case here. The panels look too thick to me, but so do the current HM production, and the interior plys appear much too fresh for this to be a convincing vintage set. Same for the leather.
HM did use two different arm pad designs, one a bit wider and angular toward the rear than the more common variety. That design may be what's been reproduced here.
Good catch on the otto base, hamacbleu.
The whole set displays too many red flags for my liking.
By way of comparison, perhaps we should revisit the thread below. IMO, this is more like the way a vintage Vitra set should look.
http://www.designaddict.com/design_addict/forums/index.cfm/fuseaction/th...


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hamacbleu
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23/10/2011 2:13 am  

Tkoo...
...it's Strange...I haven't saw two weeks ago the old tread on the vitra lounge...Everybody seems, on that old post, to agree that it's the real thing, but I think that the space on each sides between the seat panel and the back panel is... like... too small...?? Like has if someone is already sitting on it and leaning backward... Or maybe it's just a shockmount that is beginning to give away?
Anyway, as for the OP...It's kind of impressive how a fake one can look that good...even though it's fake, I would be really happy to find this kind of thing in the garbage...The venneer looks good,..It seems to be santos palissander...Having it for free, I would definitely repair it...


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hamacbleu
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23/10/2011 2:19 am  

octoeff...
...Is it possible to reverse the armrests? it seems to me that if you put them back to front, It would look more like the real thing...


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tktoo
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23/10/2011 3:06 am  

Hamacbleu,
I'm not sure about that space you're curious about. All I have for reference is my own mid-'70's HM model which, when I first saw it, looked a bit "off", too. When I mentioned that to the seller, she said it "had to be right" because she had sent it off to HM for repair and they replaced all four shock mounts. Since then, I've seen many slightly different-looking angles on many different chairs, even some current production. It's hard to tell from that photo, but you could be right. It might just be a case of tired shock mounts. The way the cushions are mushed, though, is just right. I really dislike the over-inflated appearance of the new examples shown in catalogues.
If I found that chair, I'd fix it, too... and then sell it for $500 to a hipster that didn't care and put the proceeds towards a nice vintage piece.


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MerryBlvd
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23/10/2011 4:23 am  

Thanks!
Thanks all! I'm not planning to sell the set. I doubt the authenticity myself but if many experts aren't able to tell conclusively then that's good enough for me. It was free and still looks good, real or not. I'd say better than Plycraft. Now on to repairing. I added a picture of the damaged plywood to the flickr set, any advice on how to go about repairing? I'm thinking steel plate cut to size/shape for strength?


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tktoo
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23/10/2011 6:18 am  

Experts?
Oh, I get it... good one!
Octo, you're funny, but the advice here is worth exactly what it cost you.
Where are you thinking of putting steel? How would you attach it? Often, on the genuine articles, the "ear" on the lower back panel opposite the shock mount failure cracks through as he or she who flopped into the chair vaults backwards onto the floor. Did this happen to your chair? From the pics it looks like the only thing wrong is that the lamination failed at a shock mount and all that's necessary would be to clean things up and reglue them. Of course, then there would be the other mounts to worry about...
Some folks have simply drilled the panels and mounts through and bolted them rigid. Fugly and crude for sure, but effective.
Do some research. There's a fair amount out there on repairing Eames lounges.


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hamacbleu
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23/10/2011 9:37 am  

tkoot's right...
Just reglue the thing back, use it, and save money to buy the real thing (..If it really matters). when you'll have your price, sell your chair for 500$. (your chair seems to be the manhattan home design model, which is priced at 1000$, so 500$ bucks, if the repair is good seems ok) (That'll pay, at least, the shipping cost for a vintage chair found on ebay) Or just buy new during the hm sale: you'll save almost a thousand bucks this way...
Tkoot... you're probably right with the question of the space between the panels being different from one chair to another... I began focusing on that detail when I saw the cover jacket of the book "eames lounge chair: an icon of modern design" where the space between these panels is such that you can look completely through the other side of the chair. But a used chair would usually have the seat cushion's filling moved backward, thus filling that space and creating the illusion that the back panel is too close to the seat.


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Poach
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23/10/2011 5:36 pm  

Repair
Your chair's break is somewhat different than my own, but if you're planning to fix the chair, maybe this thread about my Eames lounge repair can help:
http://www.designaddict.com/design_addict/forums/index.cfm/fuseaction/th...
The repair is now over 2 years old. I did have to re-glue another shock mount recently, but the fiberglass has been rock solid.
My 2 cents on the original question... there are too many details wrong for it to be authentic; but it's impressive how much they got right.
http://www.designaddict.com/design_addict/forums/index.cfm/fuseaction/th...


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tktoo
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23/10/2011 10:45 pm  

Great thread, poach.
Impressive job on the repair, too. Thanks for posting the link.
About the only thing I might have done differently would have been to use woven "s" glass laid biaxially rather than chopped-fiber mat. I've done some boat repairs using West System epoxies and I'm kind of a fan. Their website is a great resource for anyone considering using composites.
For regluing HM shock mounts, I've had good results using PC-7. There are some new products that I've been hearing good things about that might be good alternatives, like West System's "G-Flex" and 3M's "Plexus", but I haven't yet heard of them used for this application.
As far as the face veneer on your chair is concerned, I agree with SDR in that filling and inpainting is the logical approach. I'd use magnification, the tiniest of artist's brushes (#0000), artist's acrylics thinned down to nearly transparent, and hundreds, if not thousands, of tiny short brush strokes working from lighter base colors to darker. It's never gonna be perfect, though.


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