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cdsilva
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26/11/2015 6:50 pm  

Nice eye, teakhound. I had passed by that set a few days ago online and didn't make the connection to this catalog. A photo of the characteristic Vodder brand is also there, except clearly missing the Finn Juhl part.
You and leif should advise Wright accordingly. I would think they would appropriately update the listing, rather than leave the more marketable current FJ attribution.
On a related note, who is "P"? No Vodder family history popped up during my prelim google searches.


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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27/11/2015 2:08 am  

I was curious about the P. Vodder too. No idea though. Sent an email to an address I know at Wright20. That is a pretty major misattribution.


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27/11/2015 3:36 pm  

Dearest leif,
I think that you are simply amazing. I do.
Best,
Your Aunt Mark


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27/11/2015 4:24 pm  

Excellent resource, thanks for uploading.


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28/11/2015 8:32 pm  

The text in the introductory remarks of the catalog have Niels Vodder pointing out that recent advancements in furniture production methods have made it possible to produce Finn Juhl's designs at a more affordable price point, and that it is his hope that this will result in an increased awareness of Finn Juhl's talents.
The Per H. Hansen book I have on Finn Juhl cites his collaboration with Niels Vodder as ending in 1957, so if this catalog was first published in 1956, it would mean that the items in the catalog may not have been available for very long. Finn Juhl's final exhibition collaborating with Niels Vodder at the Furniture Guild was in 1957. When he next had a Furniture Guild exhibition in 1961, his collaboration was with Ludvig Pontoppidan.


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29/11/2015 5:21 pm  

Given that a number of catalogs continued to offer the Chieftain chair and other Vodder produced pieces well into the 60's, it seems most likely that Vodder continued licensed production, even if the collaborative relationship between Niels Vodder and Finn Juhl had ended in 1957.


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04/12/2015 5:38 am  

Interesting twist to the eight P Vodder chair lot coming up at Wright. Looks like there is already a significant investment made in that set, also factoring in buyers commission and new leather upholstery costs.
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/31128266_finn-juhl-dining-chairs-se...
That seller would not be pleased to see leif's catalog.
Wright has not yet updated the listing.


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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04/12/2015 7:14 am  

Well spotted, cdsilva! I know that Wright guarantees that Finn Juhl is the designer on this listing for a certain period. So even if they do end up selling --incorrectly-- under Finn's design credit hopefully the buyer wises up quickly enough to get a refund.
And as to the question of what happened with Niels Vodder production of Finn Juhl pieces after 1957: I have the 1965 cabinetmakers' exhibition catalog, in which Vodder exhibited the chieftain. So he was still definitely making Juhl pieces up to at least 1965.


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09/12/2015 8:45 pm  

Good for Wright . . . although not sure why they noted the France and Son part, when they included a detail photo of the Vodder mark.
http://www.wright20.com/auctions/2015/12/design/210


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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09/12/2015 10:54 pm  

It certainly was heavily in Wright's interest to change the listing to a Finn Juhl attribution. Now they are no longer liable for the amount of the sale.
They are some interesting chairs. I wish I knew who P. Vodder was who designed them. They certainly do look Finn Juhl-esque.


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10/12/2015 5:05 am  

Just looked through a bunch of old Mobilias (my earliest copies are from 1958), Dansk Kunsthaandvaerk, and Dansk Bruugskunst, period furniture books, and contemporary books on Danish furniture. Can't yet find a single reference to a "P. Vodder". Another one to add to the list of mysteries.


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10/12/2015 4:09 pm  

Niels Vodder also made at least a couple of designs for one "Knud Vodder" in 1958.
That he built designs for not one, but two Vodders seems like a rather extreme coincidence, considering that Niels is also also a Vodder, and designed his own pieces too. And there is a Chieftain that sold on Bruun-Rasmussen, the provenance to which suggests that Niels Vodder had a son named Knud, although the provenance is rather confusing, and being half in French, half in English. Also, I would say that the abbreviated first initial P. suggest the familiarity of an in-house family member, as opposed to the formality of the full name accorded to a third party.
So, my suspicion falls heavily on the family. Unfortunately Niels Vodder is very hard to dig up information on. I believe he was born in 1892. Others say 1918, but his earliest works on the Danish Furniture Index would have made him the boy-cabinetmaker. So I prefer 1892, unless his father was also cabinetmaker by the name of Niels, which is possible I suppose. And he had a daughter named Kirsten who married the Danish poet Frank Jæger, who is the "poet" of the poet sofa, which is an interesting little bit of backstory on that design.


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10/12/2015 4:21 pm  

Let me correct myself. Here is the provenance on that chieftain chair from circa 1970 with a proper translation:
Provenance :
Niels Vodder, puis offert à son petit-fils Knud Vodder.
Transmis par succession à la veuve de Knud Vodder en 2009
Niels Vodder, then given to his grandson Knud Vodder
Transmitted by succession to the widow of Knud Vodder in 2009
"Petit-fils" does not mean little son, but rather grandson. Sometimes the ability to mostly read French leads to complications like this.
Regardless, this points out that the was Knud Vodder in the family. Perhaps not the same Knud Vodder who received the Chieftain (?), but I believe the Danes also like to recycle family names through the generations.
There are a lot of coincidences here.


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10/12/2015 8:29 pm  

Wright listing updated the set of NV55s again. It now reads:
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This chair design is listed in the Danish Furniture Index, confirmed by the experts Hanne Wilhelm Hansen and Bård Henriksen, as a work by Finn Juhl manufactured by France & Sons. A 1956 catalog of "Finn Juhl Furniture for Niels Vodder" includes this work but lists the name P. Vodder as the designer.
Signed with branded manufacturer's mark to frame of each example: [Niels Vodder Cabinetmaker Copenhagen Denmark].
This set of chairs was in the collection of John H. Howe, architect and chief draftsman for Frank Lloyd Wright.
Provenance: John H. Howe | Private collection
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I came across a 55A at a shop here in SF recently. Compared to the NV45 sitting next to it, it is was very clear that the 55A was not designed or manufactured with the same level of care or confidence as the Finn Juhl piece. I continue to find the attribution to Juhl hard to believe, but of course I am not what anyone would consider an expert.
lief – interesting stuff. Do you have access to ancestry.com or a like site? It is possible that you could identify a family tree (or at least narrow the field) from the names Niels, Knud, and Vodder living in Copenhagen, DM. You also have possible birth years, which would further help your cause.


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10/12/2015 9:50 pm  

The hammer just dropped on this lot: $8000. Wright has online webcam access, and Richard was very careful when describing the lot. He simply said "the chairs" with no other words before opening the bidding. Other lots were getting a little more description.
On a separate note, the Wright/Heggen waste basket bubble is still alive and well, as a lot of six just went for $10,500.


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