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18/02/2011 8:04 am  

I would really appreciate anyones advice in regards to whether the 2 Finn Juhl NV 45 Chairs that are currently for sale on Ebay are authentic?

The seller states that the chairs are from around 1953 and are made of Walnut.
Please excuse my lack of knowledge, I have done some research and I have seen that most NV 45 chairs are either made from Rosewood or Teak. Can anyone clarify if the NV 45 chair was ever produced in Walnut and what material is worth the most, teak, rosewood, etc...?.

Thank you for your advice and knowledge in advance.

This is my favorite chair and I would love to purchase these two for my new house!!!

Best regards,

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18/02/2011 11:40 am  

From my limited knowledge of this chair, the FJ45 was produced in Teak, Rosewood, Walnut, Mahogany and Cherry wood.
I suspect Rosewood examples would carry a premium price as this timber is now CITES protected and heavily restricted.
Rosewood is also the most aesthetically pleasing timber that would have been used.
The chair has been produced by various manufacturers over the years, so the type of manufacturer would also effect the value of the chair.
Lovely chairs, it always surprises me when someone lists something of value on ebay with just one picture and a two sentence description! WTF
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-finn-juhl-45-chairs-seat-back-/260736105148?pt=Ant...


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18/02/2011 1:14 pm  

Hansen and Sørensen, Niels Vodder
Hansen and Sørensen have the rights for the chair today and are producing them as "onecollection"
The chairs have been improved on as the addition of american walnut has been the substitute for Brazilian rosewood.
Walnut chairs are only ever going to be around 10years old as far as I can recall due to the licence S&H have for reproduction.
There is another maker of the chair whos name escapes me at the moment.
The most expensive chair is the first versions by Niels Vodder in Brazilian rosewood. It is correct that brazilian rosewood(dalbergiu Negro) is covered under Cites regs.It was banned in 1978. TOTALLY illegal to use in production hence why this chair remains on my hit list to get.
one collection chairs are only $10-11000 from new in Teak or Walnut. They do show up at auction with a modest price tag.
See the difference between the NV46 chair by ONE and the NV46 chair in rosewood by Vodder and you start to get a picture of the difference.
http://www.bruun-rasmussen.dk/search.do?pg=1&iid=300365133&pl=1&cid=5553...


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21/02/2011 11:40 pm  

I know the buyer
I know the buyer of these chairs so I'll get a chance to inspect them when they arrive. In the meantime... According to the seller they were purchased from Baker furniture in '53. Might it be possible that they are simply mistaking teak for walnut?
Also - what other manufacturers were there in between Neils Vodder and OneCollection? These two chairs don't bear labels.
OneCollection affixes a small enamel label - at least on current productions. Most of the NV pieces I've seen have a burned stamp, but I've also seen attributions to NV that are not labeled.
Who else could the maker be?


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22/02/2011 12:58 am  

I don't full grasp the...
I don't full grasp the production timeline. My Juhl monograph doesn't address the timeline. My understanding is that Niels Vodder was the initial maker. Baker and Bovirke later, but I can't verify that. Then there's Søren Horn (I think they also produced the Chieftian)...but again unsure of timeline and details. In addition, I'm wondering how long OneCollection has been producing these prior to the DWR debut.
The seller only posted one crappy photo. Based on that, it looks Teak. Walnut versions of this chair have an grain intensity akin to Rosewood.


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22/02/2011 5:40 am  

More research
I did some more hunting after posting (slow day at work) and found some more stuff, including the catalog page below. It introduces the Baker line of Finn Juhl furniture, including the 45, but maddeningly doesn't list specs for that actual chair!! However, all of the other chairs show as being available in only in walnut.
All of the wording I've seen says that Baker "produced" the furniture, as opposed to importing it. And while I've found plenty of other chairs, tables, and sideboards IDd as "Finn Juhl for Baker" I haven't found any 45s with that attribution.
Danish Design Index lists the 45 as being produced by:
Niels Vodder
Soren Horn
Hansen & Sorensen (OneCollection)
It also lists the chair as being available in rosewood, mahogany, teak, & walnut but doesn't specify from which makers.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lespaceplie/4413977717/sizes/l/in/photostream/


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22/02/2011 5:57 am  

LuciferSum
I'd be very interested to know more about that pair of #45 chairs if you get to see them. I wrote the seller and asked about the chairs, if they were marked, etc. and got no reply. With only one photo, a one sentence description, zero feedback and no reply, there was no chance I'd consider bidding on them.
Since the seller was in the US and claimed they were purchased in the 50s, my assumption was they were Baker production which is fine, but not near the quality of any of the Danish makers. I think the price paid was pretty aggressive for Baker production, but compared to what they cost new, I guess it's a decent value. Unfortunately, Baker production generally does not bring a lot at auction.
WoofWoof, I've also yet to determine a clear time-line. You are correct, Søren Horn (who I've been able to find very little about) is also listed as one of the makers of the #45 and the Chieftain. They were also made by Niels Roth Andersen. All the Danish made chairs I've seen have been clearly marked with a brand in the wood (Vodder, Andersen, I've yet to see the One Collection Hansen/ and Sørensen chairs in person) while many of the Baker pieces either had a brass medallion or were unmarked.
This Chieftain in the link below still has me perplexed. It's marked Niels Roth Andersen, but the logo also appears to have an SH (Søren Horn?)
To make maters worse, there have been contemporary knock-offs introduced into the secondary market.
http://www.deconet.com/product/2226/Chieftain_chair_by_Finn_Juhl


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22/02/2011 6:07 am  

Also LuciferSum
What you have read is correct. Baker made the Finn Juhl pieces in the US. Juhl was skeptical that a US company could make them to his standards and had to come to Grand Rapids to see the operation before he would license them the designs.
I've seen #45 chairs made by Baker (and marked accordingly with the brass medallion), and just like the Chieftain, they are quite nice, but once you see the Danish-made chairs, you can easily tell the difference. Pretty much in every regard. From the quality of the wood, to the joinery, from the upholstery to the finish on the wood frames.
I would be happy to own vintage Baker production (I have a Finn Juhl for Baker credenza) but given the choice between Baker and Danish production...


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24/02/2011 10:54 pm  

Invaluable
Invaluable info Pegboard, thank you. One of the issues I've had is that I can't find any auction sales regarding Baker versions of the chairs.
I've seen Baker FJ tables, Baker FJ Chieftains etc...no FJ 45. What type of prices have you seen? (I don't think resale is of concern for my friend, she intends to keep the chairs - but just out of curiousity)
Also - if you had to point to obvious differences what would you say? The Baker Cheiftain, for example has a differently proportioned shield back. I've never had a chance to see either the vintage Danish production, nor the current OneCollection versions.


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25/02/2011 2:10 am  

I was watching the Ebay...
I was watching the Ebay auction for this Baker version a few months back. It went for something over $4,000. Later on there was some kind of change to the final bid price, maybe like the seller had made a "second chance offer" to a losing bidder, as the final price was adjusted down to $3800 or something close to that.


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02/03/2011 2:43 am  

Wood
The wood on the Baker Chieftain seems darker and a little cruder than on others I've seen. Perhaps it was that crappy 50s shellac/polyurethane.
The FJ45s are in the mail, so to speak. I'll have to post some good pictures when they arrive. My friend has invited me over to inspect them (and she's going to push me to buy one...)
What should I look for in terms of quality, etc?


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04/04/2011 8:01 pm  

LuciferSum
Did you have that follow-up on that pair of #45 chairs?
I saw the pair currently on eBay and they look a lot like the pair your friend bought. I wondered if they were disappointed with the chairs and decided to sell them or if this is a different pair alltogether.


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06/04/2011 10:34 pm  

second the followup
any news?


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26/07/2011 12:35 am  

Finn Juhl NV 45 Chairs for Sale
I recently acquired a pair of NV 45 from my grandparents who passed away. These are in teak and stamped Niels Vodder. They are in excellent condition, newly reupholstered and all around stunning. Im somewhat interested in selling them but do not want to get low balled. I Rather not do ebay or auction if i dont have to, so im just putting it out on some forms first to see if anyone is interested in making an offer. The chairs are in Los Angeles. Feel free to contact.
(edited by DA - no sales on the forum - please go to the Radar)


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26/07/2011 1:03 am  

Hey all
Sorry for the delay. My friend decided that upon sitting in the 45 chairs, she couldn't bear to part with them.
I still haven't made a visit to see the chairs, but from photos they appear to be wanut, the upholstery is shot in some areas, and there are no labels/marks anywhere.


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