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frankiefoo
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13/12/2007 7:01 pm  

Hi There,

I', from Europe and I plan to buy an Eames Lounge Chair. As you all might know, Herman Miller does not sell the chair in Europe, only Vitra does, however at a much higher price. And, more important, they don't offer walnut veneer, which looks very much like the more expensive palisander:
http://dwr.typepad.com/designnotes/2006/10/the_making_of_m.html

The cherry veneer is a bit too homogenous in my opinion, I like the living structure of Walnut and Palisander.

Does anybody know why Vitra does not offer the chair in walnut?

And has anybody had any experience in shipping such expensive furniture from USA to Europe?

http://dwr.typepad.com/designnotes/2006/10/the_making_of_m.html


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barrympls
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13/12/2007 7:28 pm  

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No, but I made enquiries about the beautiful little Nelson Trap table, which Vitra has available in Europe, but it's not available from either Herman Miller or Vitra in the states.
Golly, the shipping quotes were nearly 1/3'd of the selling price.
Seriously expensive and I can imagine ghow much it would be for you to get the Eames Lounge chair shipped to Europe.
Besides, I don't think many of the Herman Miller dealers are allowed to ship products overseas, anyway.


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peter osullivan
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13/12/2007 7:39 pm  

Not as valuable as an Eames...
Not as valuable as an Eames lounger but I had a George Nelson day bed (Modernica) shipped from Palm Springs CA to the UK a couple of months back
The shipping itself was pretty reasonable 600 USD however, I was a little shocked when I received a letter from the shipping agent in the UK that there were further fees of 300 to be paid, then there was the custom charges of another 300 (I had calculated this into my original budget before purchasing)
I did get a good price on the sofa (it is 2nd hand) so it did work out relatively cost effective, (although not comparing like for like the official Vitra version retails here in the UK for $7000)
As it was coming from the west coast it travelled by rail to New York then sailed from there, I?m guessing there would be a good saving if the item was purchased on the east coast to begin with and shipped from there
The shipping was consolidated so it sat in LA for a week before it left, all in all it took around two months to get here
I was told that the item would be shipped direct to my house but this was not the case in the end I had to hire a van and take time off work to pick it up form the freight terminal, not so good 
My advice would be to make sure you get all the costs, fees (both ends) and taxes up front and do you sums very carefully, also make sure that whoever is dealing with packaging has some experience of dealing with furniture packing although I think HM Lounge chairs ship in a wooden crate anyway, anyone confirm?
Personally i would be more inclined to approach a smaller independant dealer as they may be more flexible than the larger stores when it comes to shipping out of the country


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frankiefoo
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13/12/2007 7:48 pm  

You are right, HM dealers...
You are right, HM dealers are not allowed to sell to me directly. But I have enough contacts in the USA to ship to and they can forward it to me.
Consider this: At Vitra, the cherry veneer version costs approx. USD 6160, the price for the HM chair is USD 3200. I guess 400 dollars should be enough for the shipping, so its still USD 2560 cheaper! Besides, I can get the walnut veneer which is unavailable at Vitra.


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frankiefoo
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13/12/2007 7:52 pm  

pete1979, thanks a lot for...
pete1979, thanks a lot for your valuable information. Can anyone confirm that HM Lounge Chairs ship in a wooden crate?


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13/12/2007 8:59 pm  

Cardboard
They leave the factory in cardboard boxes that have an internal "skeleton" of wood in the corners for support/strength. The footstool sits on top of the chair with cardboard between. All in all a pretty sturdy system. I would suggest purchasing a vintage/used chair and asking that it be broke down for shipping. I have shipped a few overseas and was able to fit it in two boxes, one for the shells and hardware and the other for the cushions. The boxes were small enough to go ups. Re-assembly is a snap. I live in Michigan and have visited the factory many times on business.


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James-2
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13/12/2007 11:41 pm  

Lounge box
My 50th anniversary chair came in a sturdy cardboard box with a built in pallet on the bottom.


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14/12/2007 12:27 am  

To Frankiefoo
with the strength of the Euro against the dollar have you considered flying here buying it directly then checking it as oversized luggage at the airport and paying the nominal upcharge for oversized items. I recently brought from the west coast to the east coast two boxes each measuring 36" X 36" X 40" and the excess weight/size charge was only $50.00 USD per box.


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14/12/2007 6:55 am  

hell of a idea big tv
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hell of a idea big tv
If that would work they could go to any city that has Herman miller and do that
I have an account and called about a month a go to see if i could ship one to England and they said not from the factory. of course I could from my home or office , all packed up
I think it would cost around 300 to England but if you say it is a gift for your relative no extra duty, always something to think about???
I was kinda liking the new vitra white chair and wood and shiny 5 star base.
I kinda thought it was really good looking and a super modern feel to it,
If i was on that side of the Ocean I would want one of those, cause they have a good look, and something different, I will never understand the Vitra Herman Miller deal . same designer , same chair , but one makes it look different, cause they want to...... hell of a deal.


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frankiefoo
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14/12/2007 2:57 pm  

thanks to all.
norm, how...
thanks to all.
norm, how much was the shipping cost via UPS? do you remember how large the boxes were?
big tv: i have thought about that. it's a gread idea and i thought it must be much more expensive. how much weight did your box have? cause the dimensions are pretty much the same than the eames lounge chair box, but its weight is 102 pounds!
does anyone on this board have experience in sea freight to europe? cause this might be a cheap way without having to fly to the USA (although it would be fun 🙂


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14/12/2007 3:46 pm  

I'll check
I should have time this weekend to dig through some documents for more information. I'm sure I can find them. And yes, now that I think about it, the box did have a built in pallet.


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barrympls
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14/12/2007 4:33 pm  

Vitra vs. Herman Miller
How in the heck can Vitra be allowed to gouge their dealers by charging nearly twice what Herman Miller charges for the same thing in the US?
It's outragious, and considering that Herman Miller owns the rights worldwide to these products and has an arrangement for Vitra to make and distribute certain HM products in Europe, you'd think that HM would be as involved in the pricing as they are in the basic quality of Vitra products.
Sounds to me like HM dropped the ball and Vitra refuses to pick it up.


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frankiefoo
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14/12/2007 4:52 pm  

thanks, norm, for checking...
thanks, norm, for checking that out!
barrympls, you're perfectly right. i only know that vitra produces the chairs in germany and switzerland and assembles them in germany (just next to the swiss border in basel). maybe the income level is higher than in the USA and because neither HM nor Vitra produce in China, the cprice reflect this fact.


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barrympls
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14/12/2007 5:30 pm  

You're right, but
You're right but why would Herman Miller have "Buick" pricing and Vitra sell the same item at "Cadillac" pricing?
In my opinion, the same damn chair should be selling for same damn amount in both the US and Europe.
My rave has finished! (Who ever said there's no passion in good design???!!)


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Big Television Man
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14/12/2007 6:01 pm  

To Frankiefoo I think they
were in that neighborhood weight-wise, about 65 and 70 or 72 pounds each.


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