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schef MCM
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26/07/2010 4:44 am  

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Many fakes dont have the right size feet, this one does
Many fakes mess up the angle the size and the stitching of the arm, my chair has perfect stitches size and angle.

So far everything looks perfect... so it all comes back to that base, and the fact that it has no label
when replacing the base spider the classic specialist at herman miller thought it looked authentic by the pics I sent, and the guy at Design Within Reach said that it had to be herman miller...
I just dont get it guys, and for 2800 bucks I should get it...
leave me your thoughts


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schef MCM
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26/07/2010 6:05 am  

please help me out guysss
helppp


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HowardMoon
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26/07/2010 1:25 pm  

Schef, it is very difficult to make out from the images you have. The reason I recommended taking an image of the chair without the cushions is most copies use completely different methods of bolting the chair together, the cusion clips will be a different design Etc.
From the one useful image here I can see that the cushion clip looks to be an original and there seems to be nothing wrong with the connector plate.
The screws within the shockmounts don`t look original to me but this may not be a concern.


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26/07/2010 6:03 pm  

I agree. Everything looks...
I agree. Everything looks to be fine, aside from the screws on the shockmounts. Though that might be explained by the fact that it looks like the shockmount may have been reglued.


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HowardMoon
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26/07/2010 6:37 pm  

Yes, this is an original chair, it just has a few replacement screws here and there.


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schef MCM
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26/07/2010 6:45 pm  

well thankyou
its been difficult trying to figure this out
it must have been a few years ago when they were making some small changes at herman miller and then later decided not to keep it
anyway
thankyou


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whitespike
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26/07/2010 7:19 pm  

looks real to me too.
looks real to me too.


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Poach
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26/07/2010 9:24 pm  

Several anomales
I think it's more than just the shock mount screws that appear incorrect.
The screws to that hold the back rest connectors are tiny when compared to the usual ones. They also appear, inexplicably, to be 2 different colors. The leveling feet should have the "Domes of Silence" brand embossed in the rubber. I think the cushion clips are usually black, not gold, too, but there may have been finish variations over the years.
Despite the discrepancies, the chair seems to have gotten too many of the details right to declare it a knockoff. HM changing a whole bunch of fasteners, and then reversing the decision is a long shot. I'll give a couple more likely hypotheses:
1)Someone disassembled the chair for transport / shipping, and somehow lost the fasteners, which were replaced with hardware store fasteners.
2) It's an employee's home assembly (i.e. Johnny Cash's "one piece at a time" method). This was a lot more common back when HM used to allow employees to take home scrap parts. I've seen some great "Frankenseins" that turn up at the garage sales of former employees.


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schef MCM
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26/07/2010 10:59 pm  

Soooo
your saying (message about this one) that even though its from the late nineties, that it was possibly an at home put together job?
It has the signatures on the cushion panels that HM makes there employees do, but no tag on the inside or out
i cant figure out why they would do that?
i actually have all these images sent to Herman Miller and the classic specialist is like weirded out by it, she says that its got to many herman miller parts to not be real, but the things like the raised feet on the spider base and the screws being mis colored and also the fact that theres no labels is too strange.


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HowardMoon
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26/07/2010 11:12 pm  

The `Domes Of Silence`...
The `Domes Of Silence` appear to have been discontinued by Herman Miller.
I had a 2006 production with plain unmarked glides.


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schef MCM
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26/07/2010 11:43 pm  

Domes of silence
i was aware of that, but many other things dont add up.


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Poach
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27/07/2010 5:22 am  

Awwww.. that's a shame.
I always loved the name: Domes of Silence. Always struck me as reminiscent of Superman's Fortress of Solitude.
I agree with the HM lady. It looks like the real deal... but I don't think it came from the factory that way. BTW, the home builds I've seen never have tags.
As for the oddball spider, it's very possible that it was an experimental piece that didn't go into production, but found it's way into an employee's basement.
As a designer for an appliance manufacturer, I can tell you that all my appliances have been "customized." Any appliance repairman would have an equally vexing time as you're having with your chair.


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LuciferSum
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27/07/2010 8:10 am  

Whats Vexing about it?
It's ridiculous to think that HM has used identical parts on the 100,000 + chairs it has made since 1956. I think Schef is missing the forest for the trees. When looking at a painting an historian doesn't rely solely on signature. They look to make sure things feel right. Does the chair feel right?
Based on the pictures, yes, the chair feels right. The wood is the correct type of walnut - not overly finished; the arm supports are correct; the glides are correct; the perforations on the backings are correct; the zippers are correct. The leather looks right. The proportions look right. These are the things that people screw up. Whether a screw is gold or black is basically irrelevant.
And besides, Schef already has it posted on Craigslist so its clear he thinks its correct.


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whitespike
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27/07/2010 8:51 am  

"And besides, Schef already h...
"And besides, Schef already has it posted on Craigslist so its clear he thinks its correct."
HAHAHA!
I have always liked the name "Domes of Silence" too. Funny for a band name.


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Poach
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27/07/2010 9:37 am  

I think we all agree...
I think we're all in agreement that the chair is genuine. I'm just saying it didn't leave the factory with that hardware. Yes, spec changes are made over the years, but those little screws holding the headrest connectors are just plain wrong, and should be replaced. There's a reason the Eames' used those penny-sized screw heads. The screw heads need to distribute considerable moment without tearing the wood. I'm sure the nice people at HM will be happy to make available the appropriate fasteners.


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