Koen, thank god someone knows how to get the images to appear...
Your NACA duct sketch is hugely appreciated. Thanks. Not to sound like an irritating client (instead of collaborator), but you are close. 🙂
The idea would be to have the narrowest, shallowest, pointy part of the duct be aimed upwards, disappearing just slightly before it reaches the rim, so the rim is smooth.
The broadest, deepest part of the NACA duct would be lower on the vase. And the actual duct, or hole, would be down at the broadest, lowest part of the NACA duct.
The whole vase would taper slightly inward in the top one third or so.
No, I'm not asking you to sketch this version unless it interests you. You were already too kind and generous with your time to do the rendering above.
Finlly, please excuse me for acting like a blind man telling Mickey Mantle where to put the bat after the Mick just launched one onto the upper deck of Yankee stadium, okay? 🙂
My, this designing is HUGE fun. What the hell was I doing all those years just thinking about it? Thanks for letting me in on all the fun, Yoda.
Hi Don...
I would not do this if I did not enjoy it, so please allow me to correct my drawing. Unfortunately I have to ask for a day or so of patience because of a slight eye problem. Somehow drawing blindly is not the same as composing when you are deaf...
I will get back to you.
Question about cleaning the honeycomb proposal...
The magnificient looking proposal synthesized by Koen and his associate was so beautiful that it took a couple days for this thought to occur to me: how do you clean it?
The honeycomb top could be cast separately as a lid that rests on top of the vase. Perhaps that is what Koen has in mind already.
By the way, Koen...
my two cats are absolutely furious with you again. As we're a month or more into our flower blooming season, we have been placing all kinds of flowers from our flower beds in the vase. They walk by and brush it. They stand up and try to reach in. In a height of frustration, one of them even rolled over on his side and tried some rabbit kicking with his hind legs---a move he tried unsuccessfully when we first received the vase. A cat repeating an unsuccessful tactic signals victory. He's out of ideas. Nary a drop spilled. Not even a near tip over. The vase IS cat proof. Last evening I cut three varieties of roses (red, yellow and pink&whites, some yellow Irises, and a few sprigs of what have you and set them in the vase with water; then put them at the end of our kitchen counter and now I have been savoring them (and the vase) over my morning cup of coffee.
Hi Don...
Thank you for the cat story! the first reply to a question on DA is often the request for a picture. In your case the text is so evocative that a picture would take away from enjoying one's imagination.
The cleaning...from the start I considered this an important point and to some extend it kept me away from some obvious solutions. It was not until Gerrit posted the collection that Frédéric Ruyant designed that I realized that it is probably not such an important thing. Old vases often have this very unpleasant decomposed flower smell but as long as you can rinse it generously and as long as there are not nasty rims that hold the water back when you empty the rinsing water I do not see a problem.
I also have to admit that I did not expect the reactions I have been reading, so to me there are still quite a number of problems to be solved and I thought we would just go on until Patrick sets the deadline. Somehow the quality of computer rendering and the fact that the total started to look more than the sum of the parts put a break on our collective creativity. It does not surprise me because I have seen it now repeatedly. As some of you have noticed the early sketches are less elaborate than the later ones. Normally we designers put some kind of progression in the quality of the renderings. We do this for a number of reasons. The first one is that the skill itself (drawing I mean) is a barrier for dialogue at the start of the project. The client often feels that because it is so nicely put on paper, there is less space for his (or his staff's)imput. I almost made it a routine during presentations to draw with a red marker on the sketches the moment my client or his staff would make the first comment, just to show that it is just paper, just an idea, just soemthing to discuss. But it is good practice to gradually improuve on the representations and the closer one comes to the end choice the more affordable it is to spend time on these representations. To elaborate presentation drawings in the beginning might remind the client that he is paying for all thes nice drawings that are useless after the first meetings.
Before computer rendering we would introduce airbrush in the renderings and finally airbrush almost realistic pictures. With the computer we have a little bit of a problem in making a smooth transition between handmade and computer.
Well, I can't speak for anyone else...
and yes I'm biased as hell, but I really like your renderings of my suggestion. 🙂
I'm especially intrigued by the two layers of NACA ducts. Frankly, I'd like to see that Escher like effect carried all the way down the side of the vase to the water line.
In fact...
I'd love to see a round high rise office building or apartment tower constructed with that treatement all the way around and from top to bottom of the building. The recessed regions could be balconies. Perhaps when you finish the concert hall, someone will be ready for you to do a round high rise.
Thank you.
inspiration
This vent thing is moving into a very bio-mechanical style. Very cool. Think turbojet
http://www.arcent.army.mil/cflcc_today/2006/september/images/sep20_27/22...
yay for James, I've been...
yay for James, I've been thinking about the corn cob buildings too, I bought a book published in the 60's which discussed a lot of these buildings as they were being planned and built (including world trade centre, fascinating reading)
Anyway, I like Koens hexagons, incorporating the cylinder would be nice though. But to go way back I found this image, I'm not sure about sealing the ends but I like the ready made aspect and the islamic tile patterns that slotting a modular vase together could give.
Hello everybody,We think...
Hello everybody,
We think that it's time to close the first part of our small experiment. Even if we think that with all the talent present in this forum we could still explore a significant number of tracks which could lead to extremely different vases worthwhile producing.
However, to be efficient, we must now select one of the many drawings proposed so that we can move on concretely towards the production of the vase. We don't think that we are mistaken if we conclude that this is the synthesis (image below) that you find the most promising and that integrates the best your contribution. It will be thus the starting point of the second phase. This second phase also requires your participation!
I propose to start it in new a thread because this page is becoming to heavy to open.
PS. This first phase was very instructive and fun and it's with regret that we are closing it. Perhaps we will soon be able to repeat it with another object. Who knows...
Meanwhile, let's continue the process of design and manufacturing of the vase.
Click on the link below to "The Design Addict vase (part 3)"
http://www.designaddict.com/design_addict/forums/index.cfm?fuseaction=th...
James,
The Marina Towers were exactly what I had in mind. I've always thought they were a strong visual statement, but for one thing: the horizontalness of the lines of the floors and of the balconies reinforce each other so much that it creates a pancaking effect that struggles against the majestic verticle cylinder/silo effect of the tower. My thinking was that this vertically oriented, Escher like pattern than Koen came up with by interlacing the NACA ducts could yield the same number of balconies per floor while reinforcing the verticality of the building. I know, I know, we're far afield from a flower vase, but I excited by this pattern of interlaced NACA ducts in the same way that I'm excited by your table with the Escher like frame under the glass table. I feel like there might be a nascent idiom, or form language emerging here.
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