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kin1117
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23/02/2013 7:36 pm  

I came across this listing and it saddened me to see so many people are falling for the lie. The chair clearly has problems with the shock mounts and a drilled-through plywood. And it's obviously sagging while the description says it's strong and no leaning!!! Maybe because I was a victim of a scam before, I have a very adverse reaction to this kind of disgusting listing.
http://bit.ly/ZzEtQQ


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Spanky
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23/02/2013 10:08 pm  

well..
...he did get an email about the drilled holes and he published it to the listing (scroll down). So that's been covered.
I'd like to know how much the value increases due to the chair having been owned by "a successful physician".


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bgillettephoto
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23/02/2013 11:43 pm  

I'd pay a 10% premium for Jac...
I'd pay a 10% premium for Jack Kevorkian's 670/671.


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kin1117
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24/02/2013 1:30 am  

My oversight on the email...
My oversight on the email response indeed. But that makes it even more intriguing because people are willing to pay so much money on a chair with such condition; maybe just for the nice cushions?


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bgillettephoto
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24/02/2013 1:36 am  

It looks to be in decent cond...
It looks to be in decent condition other than the screwed shockmounts. I noticed the questions asking about shipping it to France - given the price of the Vitra version, less vintage chairs being available overseas, and perhaps a desire to have a "true" Herman Miller chair versus a licensed Hille/Vitra/ICF/Mobilier euro-market version, I can see somebody willing to spend a bit more than we'd pay in North America for it.


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Spanky
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24/02/2013 2:54 am  

If you look at the bids, it's
mostly just two people with rather low feedback running the price up.
Often what happens in auctions, both live and online, is that people get carried away and bid more than they plan to. They start to think of it as their item and damned if anyone else is going to get it!
I think there are a lot of people too, who don't realize that another one will be along shortly if they don't get this one (usually---or at least sometimes). They make the mistake of thinking it's now or never.
It takes a pretty cool head to decide ahead of time what the thing is worth to you and then to stop bidding when you reach that number.


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kin1117
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24/02/2013 3:48 am  

I agree with Spanky because b...
I agree with Spanky because both the seat pan and back rest have drill holes filled. People either aren't able to see that or they're just willing to pay $3K just for the cushions!!! I've seen transactions done at around the same price but with much better condition. I just hope the "winner" really knows what he/she's getting.


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tktoo
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24/02/2013 4:01 am  

Somebody lied on eBay???
Say it ain't so!


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DavidR
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24/02/2013 9:11 am  

Oh my, this guy has some cojo...
Oh my, this guy has some cojones. He/she copied the majority of my listing from two weeks ago!!! Please excuse my commentary of the physician, I like to know what kind of individual owner my chair before I, but it is generally irrelevant. Anyways, I recall seeing this chair in some auction house a month or so ago, so I assume this is a quick flip. It looks to me like a late 56' or early 57'ish chair, with cushions that had cracked and torn, so they were replaced probably in the late 2000's with new Herman Miller cushions. While the cushions may be decent, there is very little going for the chair. The age and panels are ruined by the poorly drilled and repaired panels.
The shock mount replacement will be costly and yikes, one other potential issue! The streaks, which looks like a dark dye that dripped may actually be repaired elbows as well!!! Since they are on both sides, I assume the lines are intentional and covering up a repair of the elbows. Very interesting.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/160962785992?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3...


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kin1117
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24/02/2013 9:49 am  

That's why observant of you, ...
That's so observant of you, David. I just noticed the streaks too after you mentioned it. I wonder if a refund would be possible after the transaction since this listing is soooooo far from the truth.


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Robert Leach
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24/02/2013 1:08 pm  

David
if you report the copied listing chances are ebay might take the auction down...
It's worth a try?
"Policy overview
eBay members are not allowed to use images - including photos and other pictures - or text they didn't create themselves. Exceptions to this policy would be if they are authorised to do so by the owner, its agent or the law."


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HowardMoon
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24/02/2013 8:46 pm  

Someone once copied an entire listing of mine including pictures, text and even my business logo.
I notified eBay and they withdrew the listing very quickly.


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kin1117
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25/02/2013 8:28 pm  

Auction ended at $3,550 for...
Auction ended at $3,550 for the chair. Unbelievably sad...... I want to scream the buyer!!


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DavidR
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26/02/2013 5:25 am  

It is quite sad what many...
It is quite sad what many sellers do. I find that there is someone who lists a handful of Eames loungers every week, with the same images and same description. Those are clearly chairs, which the "seller" does not actually have. I have wondered why sellers will sell items that they don't actually have, especially since eBay has Buyer Protection. This individual at least had a chair that he/she was selling, so it could be worse. 3600 is ridiculous for that chair though. A few months ago, I thought I had got a great deal on a set of Georg Jensen flatware. It turns out that the set did not exist. The seller even provided a tracking number (which was headed to the UK, not where I am in the US). At the end of the day, once I found out it was bogus, I just called paypal and they refunded the money, so I still wonder, whats in it for the sellers of these hoax listings?


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