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MadHaus
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23/09/2010 2:30 am  

I feel like this may be a sort of dumb thread, but Im really wondering about it...
so I purchased the infamous George Nelson Ball Clock from a company in Cali called Stardust. All there clocks where 325-335 (ball clocks) but they had a floor sale so I got one for 275$

The box says Vitra and its dimensions are all authentic looking...
Im basically just wondering if theres a sure way to tell.

it isn't stickered Vitra on the backside, but it is built super well and from what i can see it appears to be Vitra

I checked google, but theres no images of one from the backside or anything thats showing its fine detail.

Paranoia at its best

anyway heres mine...

tell me what you think... I hope its real.


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23/09/2010 2:39 am  

Can't see the pics but it...
Can't see the pics but it sounds fine to me. I think most/all? of the wall clocks have a Vitra sticker/tag which you can stick to the back/front of the clock yourself. I don't think they are usually prefitted.


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MadHaus
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23/09/2010 4:10 am  

really?
i wasnt aware it was a do it yourself sticker. It didnt come with one, but then again it was the floor sample so.
thanks


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Olive
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23/09/2010 4:39 am  

That's worth $275?!?!?
Good Lord! There's maybe $10 worth of parts on that thing!


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Poach
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23/09/2010 5:31 am  

Guess it depends what you mean by "authentic"
Sure, for what it's worth, it looks like a genuine Vitra clock, which is a reproduction of the original Howard Miller clock. But how "authentic" is any reproduction?


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MadHaus
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23/09/2010 9:44 am  

Thanks for the remarks
Yea its understandable that its 10 dollars worth of parts, but honestly, how much does anything really cost that we pay high prices for.
Did you know that Herman Miller pays about 400 dollars for there Eames 670
and its sold for 3600 dollars.
its all demand, people like to have authentic pieces. I wouldn't ever purchase that link that was sent above me. yea it looks similar, but its not the same clock.
Honestly getting sick of dumb remarks on this page (design addict)
When this started it was perfect. everyone was respectful of each other and there certainly where no dealers trying to use our minds for there pocket cash.
Lets cut the sly remarks and just try to help each other out, please.
If you have nothing good to say, spare the sarcasm.
(aimed at Olive, for his remark)


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23/09/2010 9:58 am  

"yea it looks similar, but its not the same clock"
That's true. Yours is Vitra; the one in my link is Howard Miller.
http://www.howardmiller.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?cat...


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23/09/2010 9:23 pm  

MadHaus
You said:
"Did you know that Herman Miller pays about 400 dollars for there Eames 670
and its sold for 3600 dollars."
I'm afraid that is simply not true. The cushions take one full hide to make and a full hide of decent quality leather costs $400 alone. Add to that the fact that they are made here in the US and they are paying US labor rates and you can imagine how quickly the costs can add up for a chair that requires so much hand work.
The current price for a brand new 670/671 starts at $3899. Do you think Herman Miller gets all that money, or are you forgetting about the percentage that the retailer gets for selling it, shipping and other associated costs? You statement makes it sound like they make $3200 on a $400 chair.
Not that I care what their margin is on the products they sell. Just want to clear up any misconceptions.
Olive is incorrect also. There is more than $10 worth of parts in a Vitra clock. Perhaps she has not seen them in person, but aside from the inexpensive movement, they are very well made with quality materials and first rate finish. Just the tooling for the various components can be very expensive before they make the first one.
My objection to Vitra's reproductions has nothing to do with their profit on the product, but rather how they have devalued the vintage originals.
Lastly MadHaus, I don't see the value in snippy remarks (unless they are funny) and I can see how if you spent good money on an item you would take offense at someone making critical remarks about it. But I'd suggest that the best response to such remarks would be none. If you ignore the comment it just sits there for others to see. If you let it bother you and start complaining about the comment, the member or the entire forum it only exacerbates the problem you are complaining about.
To address your original post, your clock looks like the Vitra clocks I've seen. But as others noted, all the Vitra products I have seen were clearly marked. If you bought it from a reputable dealer and it came with the original box, I'd assume it's a Vitra piece.


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MadHaus
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23/09/2010 10:13 pm  

To pegboard
thank you for the reasonable response, I usually just let those comments pass by but recently they have been getting to me.
and yes you are right about the Eames 670/671 , although some are online for 3600, I actually got mine (a new one for 3200) from a dealer cause they where trying to move old inventory from 08.
What I should have explained, is that the hardware wood metals and things come out to the total of 400 dollars for herman miller, and the reason I know this, is because I spoke with a few people at HM when i was refinishing an old chair. I asked them the cost of the "hardware" and they actually told me the total cost of a cowless chair, and didn't think about the leather...so your right, the leather should be factored in. so the chair cost them a mere 1,000 bucks to make, and still sells for almost 4g depending on the options you pick.
Some big mark up.
Yet it is beautiful and a wonderful piece of art and history, so it can sell for that price, and it will probably gain value as time goes on.
thankyou again.


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Olive
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24/09/2010 1:01 am  

I'm getting pretty tired of all this too...
It seems we must all think the same, act the same, and have the same opinions or we're not good little Design Addicts. Sorry, but that's ridiculous.
I've been interested in the Nelson clocks for ages but never bought one and was surprised to see how cheesy the movement looked to me. That's the value of a clock after all, the movement. Why was I wrong to express this thought? Must I agree that the clock is a fine piece of modernist art just because someone paid $275 for it? Is this not a forum expressly for opinion and discussion? I did not say anything nasty, I simply commented that the item did not look to be what I would expect of it. Period. And if I am wrong as Pegboard says, well then I am wrong. But I am still entitled to my opinion.
Has DA become a place of such rigidity that no one can have a differing opinion?


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24/09/2010 1:34 am  

Hope not
And I must agree that it is the same reason I have never bought one. 250-350 seems high for a repro clock. And any vintage is probably more, so there is a lot of a gap there. If I found an original for that price I'd consider it for sure. That's just me though.


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24/09/2010 1:54 am  

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Functional little devils..albeit abit pricey. I'm bored with mine only because it's too over exposed.


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fastfwd
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24/09/2010 2:10 am  

275? 250-350? "A bit pricey"?
$38.23!


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Killian
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24/09/2010 2:14 am  

or you could make one from...
or you could make one from some lollypops.


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