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robin13012
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08/10/2019 6:22 pm  

Hello,
I intend to buy this Lounge chair from Charles Eames Herman Miller edition. The seller says that it is a model whose wood is palissander. It is 2013. However, I have a doubt when he removed the cushion from the top seat. There is no rosewood veneer. Do you think it's a fake? Thank you all for your answer. Have a good evening. Robin.

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robin13012
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08/10/2019 6:24 pm  

Another photo

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Tijs
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08/10/2019 7:43 pm  

No small adhesive at the underside?


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robin13012
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08/10/2019 11:20 pm  

Yes This one: But the problem, I think, is that there is no pallissander when you remove the cushion from the chair (see picture 1 on my first post).

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tktoo2
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09/10/2019 5:40 pm  

It's good to cautious about these as the knockoffs have gotten better about details. My experience is with vintage versions and I don't know if HM still veneers both sides of the panels with the same wood specie. Perhaps best to ask them directly via email including photos. Good luck!


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robin13012
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09/10/2019 6:11 pm  

Thank you tktoo2 for your feedback. I contacted HM, but they prefer that I contact my local HM. Except that HM in France, is not an importer of the Eames lounge, it is Vitra in Europe. Is there anyone who has a 2013 Eames Lounge HM who can remove the top cushion and tell me if there is Palissandre underneath? Thank you very much in advance.


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mark737
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09/10/2019 7:29 pm  

I'm no expert on these chairs, but one detail I found, according to a few sites online, is that Herman Miller used the black label in your picture from 1971-1991.  Beginning in 1991 they used this silver label.  So, if this is supposed to be a 2013 chair, that would be a potential red flag.   

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mark737
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09/10/2019 8:00 pm  

And it appears this label was used beginning in 2009.

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robin13012
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09/10/2019 10:55 pm  

Hello

Yes Mark the logo that you describe is available on the chair, and the second one is available on Ottoman.

I think the logos under the chair and under the ottoman are correct. The problem is the veneer or not of the goose under the cushion.
Another information: zips are present on the cushions (at the back of course)

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objectworship
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12/10/2019 2:58 am  

Why would fancy face veneer be used where it cannot be seen?


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tktoo2
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13/10/2019 4:14 pm  

@ objectworship, Good question! The short answer would be to assure a balanced lamination. Herman Miller practiced this for decades on all of their Eames ES670/671 sets though the individual veneer leaves used on concealed surfaces were of a lesser grade and not book-matched as on the "show" sides.


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