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therye
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09/03/2016 6:20 pm  

Were there genuine Peacock chairs made without any branding or labeling? This chair looks right and it has a moving/shipping tag that says made in Denmark. Is this the real deal or knock off? I would think knock offs would be made in China or Thailand or something.
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09/03/2016 6:39 pm  

The shippers tag website says they had been in business for over 20 years so the chair is probably from the mid to late 1990's. Interesting listing description for this one at ebth.com that it makes it look like it is hiding in plain sight. Compare this current listing with the previous one from November 2015.
https://www.ebth.com/items/2972440-denmark-peacock-armchair
https://www.ebth.com/items/2599141-hans-wegner-peacock-chair


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william swift
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09/03/2016 7:21 pm  

I don't know if it's authentic or not, but that paper tag looks big enough to cover a branded mark.


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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09/03/2016 7:23 pm  

This would be a PP Møbler chair if it is legit. Hans Wegner's manufacturers going back to the early 1950s have all been reliable about marking his designs, and usually mentioning that Hans was the designer.
You might try asking PP Møbler.
The large shipping label is also placed directly over and covering the location where PP would have marked the chair. So there might be a mark hiding underneath it. Or a cynic might think the shipping label's placement is all too convenient. Here are examples where you can see the placement of the PP mark/label:
http://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/hans-wegner-faatoelj-peacock-chair/i30...
http://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/hans-j-wegner-paafuglestol-peacock-cha...
http://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/hans-j-wegner-peacock-chair-model-pp-5...


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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09/03/2016 7:24 pm  

Sorry Emcee M, you wrote the same thought while I was writing.


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william swift
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09/03/2016 7:47 pm  

Wish I could say "Great minds blah blah ..." But when it comes to Danish furniture, mine is feeble in comparison.
I am more cynical about the paper tag placement the more I think about it. When I acquire a mystery piece, I can't wait to dig in to it looking for tags, markings, etc.
Why wouldn't the seller peek under it? If it had the right markings, it could be confidently sold as a Wegner design rather than a "Denmark" chair. Maybe they did peek and didn't like what they saw?


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therye
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09/03/2016 8:05 pm  

Here is a theory. What if it is a moving tag? Someone stationed in Denmark from the US, had this chair, had people move it, they slapped this tag on it and nobody really cared since? I don't know. I agree it is suspicious. I have seen this site go both ways. They have listed things terribly both in how they describe and ID.
Fake eames I'm 99% sure:
https://www.ebth.com/items/2991670-charles-and-ray-eames-670-and-671-lou...
Skovby Dining Table:
https://www.ebth.com/items/3031678-north-hills-jack-in-the-box-teak-dini...
George Petersons Rosewood table:
https://www.ebth.com/items/2992945-vintage-sassafras-veneer-and-chrome-d...
Here is a "Flash" Covered Vegetable and a bonus Yosuke Haruta pot as well. The first night I bought this lot I sold $20 worth of the crap I didn't want and kept the Hafner and Haruta vessel:
https://www.ebth.com/items/3044119-collection-of-striking-decorative-ves...


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cdsilva
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09/03/2016 9:17 pm  

While there are plenty of replica Peacock chairs out there, including ones with two wood types (like the OP's), I don't believe I've seen one that has the (multi) lap joints at the four wedged tenon leg joints (like the OP's). Apologies to the woodworkers if I've used the wrong term for these joints, but they seem too wide to be called finger joints.
If someone has a photo of a replica with these multi lap joints, please advise.


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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09/03/2016 10:09 pm  

This chair looks exactly like a legitimate chair to me. Perhaps someone who knows the chair in person might see something off, but I doubt it.
Therefore, as a matter of definition it is not a "knockoff," which is the "the look for less." And it isn't a forgery, because it would surely be marked. So it is an interesting question whether it is authorized production or some sort of perfect replica. (And I have seen a perfect replica of an extremely famous Danish Modern piece). I don't think this chair is valuable enough for someone to bother making a perfect replica. Therefore I think the odds are in favor of it being legit.
And I have a theory about why the shipping label might have been placed directly over the PP label: It is very strange that the shipping label says, "Made in Denmark;" I have never seen that before. And the PP label does not say, "Made in Denmark," it only says "Danmark." I could imagine that customs inspectors and want or need to see "Made in Denmark" in English and written out just like that, so the shipping company corrected the problem, and covered the PP label. (And when PP ships product first hand, it would probably go in a box that has "Made in Denmark" on the box.)


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therye
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09/03/2016 10:15 pm  

Well this has been a good learning experince and reinforces what I thought I was seeing. My assessment was right around Lief's, in that if it is a copy it is a xerox of the original. Its not like this is a Niels Vodder Chieftain, this is a $1,500-$2,500 chair, it wound't hardly be worth it for a craftsman with such skill to remake this chair.
Well I figure it will sell for close to retail now that I have blown its cover. Oh well, worth it for me to know in the future. Thanks for all your input as always.


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cdsilva
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11/03/2016 9:39 pm  

$1150. Not a bad price at all.


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