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22/11/2014 12:16 am  

Hello Everyone!Can anyone confirm that these are IB Kofod Larsen?They are marked SeligI cannot find a reference anywhere. Thanks in advance.


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22/11/2014 1:09 am  

Here is the Kofod Larsen Horseshoe chair for Selig. Not sure if he designed a similar one (yours), or if it was an in-house "in the manner of" design by whomever Selig contracted to make these.


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22/11/2014 1:34 am  

Thanks a lot for this. I appreciate the information. 
Cheers


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23/11/2014 4:21 am  

I know of another instance of Selig tinkering with the design to this sort of degree.  The chair I am thinking of also is not a common Ib Kofod Larsen for Selig design.  Not to say that this proves anything, but to my mind it seems to be a sort of modus operandi for Selig with less common (and by inferrance poorly selling) designs.  
Maybe tchp has something to say, he knows way more than I do about most things, and most especially about Selig.
Edit: Hold on just a second.  I think I have documentation on this design.  I will have to go digging through some old catalogs.


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23/11/2014 4:37 am  

Ok.  Ignore what I just said above.  It may or may not be relevant at all. like most things I say.  
Here is documentation on the chair courtesy of a vintage Danish catalog.  You even get to see Ib sitting in it!  And they made a stretched sofa version of the chair. And before you ask: there is are no indications anywhere in the catalog of who any manufacturers are.  But the catalog is from 1965, so the design years is "1965-prior."




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23/11/2014 4:46 am  

The chair Kofod Larsen is sitting in is his "Elizabeth Chair" U-56 by Christiansen&Larsen, which has a lot of similarities to the chairs in the original post, but are not the same chair.  The Elizabeth chair has a very distinctively round seat, and the arms on the original post Selig chair are a lot wider. 


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23/11/2014 5:01 am  

The Elizabeth Chair is probably Kofod-Larsen's most famous and coveted chair design, and I believe this was also true even during his career (Queen Elizabeth II bought two of them, hence the name).  The auction prices for them are similar to what is paid for Finn Juhl NV45's and Chieftain chairs.  I would be surprised, given the very close working relationship that Mendell Selig had with Kofod-Larsen (even hiring him to do designs after Mendell Selig started a different company later on) that he would personally tinker with Kofod Larsen's most famous design and do a Selig version of it without Kofod-Larsen's involvement.
I have never seen the chairs in the original post before, but if they do have Selig medallions on them, I think it is most likely that Kofod-Larsen did them for Selig, basing the frames partly on the Elizabeth chair design.
P.S. -- Odd you should mention the extent of my knowledge, Leif, as I had always assumed you knew far more than I did about most stuff, as you seem more on the ball than I am in most situations.


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23/11/2014 5:52 am  

Well there you go.  I didn't even notice the difference between the OP's Selig chair and the Elizabeth. (Didn't know it was Christensen & Larsen).  
But your point about the close relationship between Selig and Ib Kofod Larsen seems very valid. If I owned the chair I would still want documentation, of course, not because I doubted the designer but because it would take a lot less telling. 
 


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23/11/2014 5:58 am  

I have seen the "Horseshoe" chair (that cdsilva posted) a number of times, but for all the time I have spent looking through material on Kofod-Larsen, I don't think I have ever seen the chairs in the original post.  They must be pretty scarce, so finding a catalog or print ad for them that names Kofod-Larsen would probably take some work and some luck.


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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23/11/2014 6:04 am  

Selig also did something sort of, maybe similar with a dining chair design by Arne Hovmand Olsen for Mogens Kold (don't know the model number, but it looks a lot like a Møller chair, specifically the Møller 71).  The MK and Selig chairs look superficially the same, but where the leg meets the backrest is very different, as well as smaller differences like square vs round legs).  Critically, Selig does credit the design to Arne Hovmand Olsen.
Not that it means much of anything, but again I reminds me of the modus operandi.
edit: just remembered where I have the documentation on this chair.  Added photo


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23/11/2014 6:37 am  

My understanding about the Hovmand Olsen chairs for Mogens Kold is that initially the backrest was dowelled into the legs, as in the photo ad example you posted, but then later it was changed to be more like the design that Hovmand Olsen did for Moller with the Model 71 chair. I have attached an image of that version.  I would guess this was done because the dowelled joint ended up being prone to weakness perhaps? I have always assumed that Hovmand Olsen did the design for the Model 71 chair before he did the one for Mogens Kold, but I really don't know for sure. Hovmand Olsen is always cited as the designer of the 71 in the early Moller catalogs, which was something that H. Moon first pointed out.
I also have a Selig Danish Collection catalog that includes the Hovmand Olsen/Mogens Kold chairs. 


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23/11/2014 6:45 am  

http://www.designaddict.com/forum/General-discussion/Help-manufacturerde...
I see this was already discussed at the thread above.  I could have swore I saw some horizontally jointed chairs with Mogens Kold badges at a local shop, but I guess now I am not sure.  Maybe they were only versions that were made for Selig.  


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23/11/2014 6:54 am  

http://www.pamono.com/teak-dining-chairs-by-arne-hovmand-olsen-for-mogen...
This link appears to show a set of horizontally jointed Hovmand Olsen chairs with Mogens Kold badges.  I now see that some of these chairs have a scooped out detail on the back of the chair leg, under the backrest, and others do not. 
 


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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23/11/2014 7:09 am  

The vertical joint Mogens Kold chairs tend to have the scooped out legs. That is the last difference that I didn't mention.
And this is the first time I have seen horizontal joints on MK badged chairs. Very interesting. This strongly suggests I a wrong in assuming there are two fully separate versions of this chair, as these chairs are the missing link, so to speak. 
And this suggests that MK was the manufacturer for Selig.  
I don't know what bearing this has on the OP's question... (Of course the OP's question is answered by the close relationship between Selig and IKL, so I don't have to feel bad about sending this thread off on a tangent I find interesting(!))


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leif ericson - Zephyr Renner
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23/11/2014 7:17 am  

Oh, and I have personally repaired damage to the horizontal joint on those chairs. It is weak.  Doweled into short laminated side grain.  Not a great idea. 
I am not sure which variation came first either.  I had assumed MK did the vertical variation and then later started selling to Selig and found a way to make the chair more cheaply (the vertical joint variation would take much thicker stock to make).  But that is just my assumption. Could be either way around or something else entirely.


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