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Kyle James
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21/09/2015 4:04 am  

Hey guys, a bit of a sour question here...I bought a knoll Bird Chair a few months back. I understand that some of the older chairs loose there tags...but I am trying to Identify if this cover is authentic. The chair has already been confirmed by Knoll to be authentic. I say "sour" because I had a rude dealer, whose name I will not mention, sending me harsh messages about it being a knock off and how I am dumb for buying a knock off chair. Fortunately I am well aware of the chairs authenticity and just am curious if the cover was hand sewed, or a vintage/possibly newer knoll produced.

The cover has 2 clips near the front of the diamond and 4 clips near the bend of the neck.
The cover is 100% wool and looks like a knoll fabric, it has about 1/3rd inch of foam that has yellowed but is still soft and not cracked.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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Kyle James
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21/09/2015 4:20 am  

Id also like to add that I will be selling it for a very low price. I understand forum rules and no prices are to be mentioned. I recently got a newer cover in brown that is much easier on the eyes, but some people like that crazy color look, and ill be happy to part ways with it at a reasonable price.


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fastfwd
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21/09/2015 5:46 am  

The cover is authentic, but you need to work on your reading comprehension, as you clearly don't understand the forum rules at all.


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Kyle James
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21/09/2015 5:51 am  

Fastfwd I certainly will read clearly. I apologize. I love to post on this forum and always use it to discover new things.
I appreciate the response.
I have used the site before...and understand price reflection is the issue. Please explain what I did wrong?


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Kyle James
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21/09/2015 6:11 am  

I will add that about 5 years ago I posted on this forum as a different member very often. Everyone was helpful and I lost my email and password (yahoo is at fault). But I'd like to add that this forum has become harder and harder to navigate or get any responses from. I am not a huge poster. I'll add that I have also responded too a few posts based on my own knowledge under identifications. I am not an avid poster though. Just curious what happened to the site? Thanks again fastfwd


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fastfwd
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21/09/2015 8:33 am  

I'm pleased that I could help, and I hope you enjoy your new Bird chair. Coincidentally, I threw away two Bird covers last week. One was my vintage chair's original cover and its foam had completely deteriorated, so I didn't feel too bad about discarding it, but the other one was only a few years old (and expensive -- Knoll Velvet). Unfortunately, that cover was marred by a big bleach stain. I'd had it in storage for the last couple years, but the stain really couldn't be covered or corrected, so there was no point keeping it any longer. Sigh.
Anyway, the forum rules:
When you started this thread, and each time you added additional comments to it, you scrolled past this text to get to the "submit" button. The rules that you apparently either overlooked or misunderstood are #2 and #4:
BASIC RULES
1. Respect and courtesy are essential. The moderators reserve the right to delete unsuitable messages.
2. No advertising is allowed! Direct or indirect commercial solicitations are strictly forbidden.
3. Requests to identify objects are welcome as long as the object is believed to be modern, post-modern or contemporary (no antiques). You may ask for help identifying an object but not its commercial value. This forum is not a free valuation service.
4. If you wish to sell an item, please don’t use this forum. Click here to sell your items.


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Kyle James
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21/09/2015 8:42 am  

That's a shame about your covers. They are hard to come by...and quite an expense to purchase as new. I've had a few of these bird chairs...and they are a challenge themselves. All of them need shockmount attention or welding.
Anyway I appreciate your response fastfwd and will do my best to post and use the forum appropriately. I thank you.


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Spanky
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21/09/2015 6:19 pm  

Kyle, could you post a clear closeup or two of the fabric of your yellow cover? I'm just curious which Knoll fabric it is. It looks like it might be wool felt. I love wool felt but have always wondered about the durability of it, not really trusting wear ratings. If you could photograph that hole in the back, that would be really great.
Fastfwd has already said it's authentic so I won't argue there. I'll just add that I tried to make one of these once and gave up in total frustration. It was early in my upholstering days so maybe I've learned things since that would make it easier but I will happily go to my grave never attempting it again.


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Kyle James
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22/09/2015 4:46 am  

Spanky, give me a day to post another pic, as I'm away from home. You are correct though, it is the knoll felt. I actually just received an email from a knoll employee stating it is real also. Fastfwd nailed it.
As for the creation of one...I have only found one other person online making these covers. They actually look good, and seem to be good quality. I am positive if you brought fabric to a master at upholstery, they could do it, but I totally agree with you spanky. I definitely wouldn't have the patience. I'll get back asap with some photos.
As for the covers authenticity. I was told some covers on bertioa chairs didn't sew the label on to the cover. Depending on the fabric...some where sewn into the bottom of the pad and others where only attached using adhesive. This goes from the early models up until recently when knoll was stamped into the frame and both the ottoman pad and chair pad have the label sewn into all fabric types.
Probably with the intention of making sure fakes don't go floating around as authentic. Like our poor friend, the 670/671.


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Dr_Pepper105
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23/09/2015 3:07 am  

Gah!! Fastfwd, I cringed when I read that you threw two covers away. I have a vintage Bird chair that is naked and I've been looking for a vintage cover that I can use for a template. Nobody seems to have one they're willing to part with or if they do, they want more money than it's worth.


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fastfwd
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24/09/2015 1:37 am  

Dr_Pepper105: When I most recently bought a new set of covers, I kept the old sets because I hoped that they could help someone make a replacement cover for less money than what Knoll charges. But further investigation showed that they weren't actually useful for that:
1. The nearly new (but badly stained) velvet covers couldn't be dyed because the adhesive holdng the fabric to the foam -- and possibly the foam itself -- would be destroyed in the process.
2. The petrified foam could have been scraped from the original covers, and the old fabric could then have been used as a template to cut new fabric, but cutting the complex curves in replacement foam would have been very difficult.
3. The foam in the new covers couldn't be reused because it's impossible to cleanly delaminate the fabric from the foam and then re-laminate new fabric to the foam.
4. The velvet covers couldn't simply be covered with new fabric because it's impossible to laminate fabric to velvet.
So you can stop cringing, because you didn't really miss an opportunity to get an inexpensive cover. If I were you, I'd just save my money, wait for Knoll's next 15%-off sale, and buy a brand-new cover in exactly the fabric you want. It won't be cheap even on sale, but once you're enjoying it every day, you'll quickly forget the cost.


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Dr_Pepper105
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29/09/2015 10:09 pm  

Yeah, I figured as much. I work in the industry and have talked with a few of our go-to upholsterers who have done these chairs before, albeit with a template to go by. I actually found a photo of one covered in a solid color cow-hide that I really liked so I was holding out for something to use as a template.


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