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	And...?	1 Relevance	17 years ago	fastfwd	General discussion
	And...? So what's so terrible about designing a chair "for persons who wish to buy amusing looking chairs"? Especially here, where there's an appreciation for more than just the utilitarian qualities of a thing, why is a design "bad" just because it's whimsical? Dcwilson: Your assumption that the Masters chair is uncomfortable and fragile may be correct, but if you've ever broken a Series 7 or LCW, or tried to sit in a Barcelona for more than a few minutes, you know that those qualities are hardly unique to this chair. [Oh, and by the way... It's for Kartell, so the tubing isn't metal; it's plastic -- polycarbonate in this case.] Whitespike: Maybe Starck isn't "great", but hasn't he done enough innovative design to be allowed a little homage to someone else every once in a while? Plus, the combination of three silhouettes IS new and original; no one's done that before. This chair's not going to win any awards, and it won't end up on the "100 Most Important Designs of the 21st Century" list, but I don't think it's unattractive -- especially from the side (photo below) -- and I certainly don't find it offensive.
	He is selling it on Craig's List now....	1 Relevance	18 years ago	NULL NULL	General discussion
	He is selling it on Craig's List now.... Check the thing out at: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/fud/859931793.html "Jeremiah" was a real jerk when my partner asked him some questions about it. That was when I found this string. I agree that the chairs are not that valuable in their own right. However, mediocre art on a chair that is not that valuable is supposed to equal $425? This is not Calder, Lichtenstein, or Fuchs working on the BMW art cars. This more aligned with designer decorated cows, mermaids, and other hunks of fiberglass that are scattered across various cities now. Sometimes, the mediocre and short of stature try to stand on the shoulders of someone greater, like Eames. The result sullies the original and does not expand the vision of the original. Try again, Jeremiah.
	Quick update...	1 Relevance	13 years ago	J.J.	General discussion
	Quick update... Quick update for those of you following along with this... I had visions of Eric Pfeiffer's Mag Table when I first saw the piece and finally discovered the BroSis Lounge by Pfeiffer for Modernseed in 2006. Quite the pair, huh? My chair was included in a special exhibition called - An Exhibition of Children's Chairs, Mondo Cane and Partners & Spade with 50 examples spanning from the years 1890-1990. Mondo Cane's 1980s assertion surely isn't a mistake, making Eric's piece more questionable. Other than that, I can't find this thing anywhere. Maybe anonymous is where this will stay.
	For me, it's a question of in...	1 Relevance	15 years ago	Chicagoan	General discussion
	For me, it's a question of in... For me, it's a question of intellectual property, not quality (though the latter is important, too). It's important for me to have a real Barcelona chair and a real Saarinen tulip table because I respect the men who created them, and their right to their own design. This world would be a sad place indeed without people who come up with original ideas. I think they (or their heirs in these instances) deserve to benefit. Fakes are pretentious. The very definition of pretension is to pretend to be something one is not. A house full of knock-off furniture says quite a lot, I think, about its inhabitant. Even if the only difference between a real Barcelona and a fake is the license certificate -- well, that's all the difference in the world to me. But in any case, I've never seen a fake live up to the real thing.
	.	1 Relevance	14 years ago	HPau	General discussion
	. Can't help with that, I read about it in an article years ago and they don't turn up often, the ones I've seen before with the HM sticker were upholstered in black vinyl. It certainly adds a bit of fuzz to notions of authenticity, perhaps they weren't producing the chairs to an agreed standard or the market just wasn't there. The only thing I can think of is to contact Herman Miller, The Powerhouse Museum or any companies with a design or plywood moulding focus around at the time, Slorach, Framac, Aristoc (worked with Featherston) etc. I'm in Toowoomba, so its nice to come across someone so close to home, good luck with the chairs, if they were mine I'd be tempted to do a full strip and spray job, replace all the fasteners and feet and forget about 'patina'. But of course they're not though it'd be nice to see some photos when you're finished with them.
	The Eames Lounge, for the man who is Different.	1 Relevance	16 years ago	Lit Up	General discussion
	I've been talking about this in another thread but due to the ubiquitous nature of the chair, I think this discussion needs its own thread. I've called the Eames lounge fugly but maybe that's a bit far. I guess it looks kinda cool, all that baseball glove type thing it has going on. If any of you guys want to deliver me a vintage one with beautiful Brazilian Rosewood veneers and lovely leather patina for free, then I'll hardly send you packing. But it's not AMAZING looking, and it doesn't even tilt back. Not only that: It was used in House, Frasier and pretty much everything else. Any trendy furniture retailer will incorporate this chair into their brochure, publicity material and even into their logo! It's the archetypal cool chair that boring accountants buy with their first bonus when they want into the trendy lifestyle that they've read about in a magazine on the way to work. It's the centrepiece in the lounge for the man who has done nothing individual or daring in his entire life and thus has the cash to buy an exorbitantly priced chair out of a catalogue. I was discussing this with a friend, who actually said that in owning an Eames Lounge, there is no better way to come across as at least one of the following: A) a total n00b B) absolutely unoriginal C) more money than knowledge or sensibility D Catalogue consumer E) pay far more for a midcentury lounge chair than anyone else F) Fail People buy it as much because they want to associate themselves with design 'icons' in the permanent collection of Moma, and purchase themselves into a social milieu, as for the look and the comfort. One could say this about all bespoke design, but I guess that to try and buy oneself into a social milieu with one of the most obvious designs around is a rather underwhelming way to do it. Not only that, does anybody actually think about the institutionalisation of style? It's a self-perpetuating thing; perhaps Eames got more lucky with a few of the right people in high places at the right time than other leading designers, so his design is perpetuated and reproduced and publicised ad infinitum, til the end of time... even though there were equally incredible lounge chairs that deserved to be perpetuated, but aren't and now 50 yrs later don't have the brand (I'm sat in one right now!) Now, anticipating the calls of "blasphemy!" and pre-empting personal attacks from keyboard warriors, I confess, I am hardly an expert, my tastes are fairly green and perhaps have some evolution to undergo; but that's not the point. I don't want to talk down to anybody here, and this thread is not about personal glorification. Rather, I intend to stimulate discussion about this omnipresent chair. So in that spirit, let's discuss.
	I never knew...	1 Relevance	15 years ago	HPau	General discussion
	Naive perhaps but I never knew how personalised google search results are based on what you've been up to, I thought it was odd that some DA stuff was turning up in the first few results after having posted something just a few days ago. Paste &pws=0 at the end of your query and the results are different, quite interesting to see what comes up...sort of like homophily but worse! I want to know stuff I don't already know about. What would be interesting is if you could base your search results on someone elses history, say you're a student and you want to get the best information on Descarte maybe you could somehow have it based on a lecturers history or a pool of people you respect, the unbiased results are a bit mediocre, maybe thats just a lowest common denominator thing. Or use.... What is reqiured is a pool of cookies... http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm
	In my opinion	1 Relevance	18 years ago	NULL NULL	General discussion
	In my opinion The reproduction bases are generally fine, except I have not been able to compare the dowel bases side by side (I do have a reproduction one). One thing to note is that the Vitra bases on the arm shells have wider stance than those for the side shells. I have not seen any reproduction bases with the wider stance. Personally, I think the wider stance looks a bit funny.
	Did I say I learned to live with it?	1 Relevance	12 years ago	HawaiiModern	General discussion
	Did I say I learned to live with it? Not after your post Spanky. Haha now I can't look at it and not be pissed. Guess I need to find another one and do them both right. Next time I am buying a pneumatic staple gun with stainless staples and doing it myself. tktoo, thanks for the clarification. I tried the regular and dark Watco walnut oil on a small part of the leg and liked the Dark better. In addition, I noticed the gussets holding the inside chair frame together had a dark stain on the lighter/non walnut wood. The shape this chair was in told me it might be original stain so I went ahead and used the Dark Walnut Watco. I agree, it really brought out the grain pattern. I have done the same thing on a walnut Gunlocke with the same results.
	Sigurd Ressel and Falcon Chair	1 Relevance	20 years ago	dcwilson	Identification
	Norwegian Sigurd Ressel designed a very neat chair called a Falcon chair. I saw one, described it, and PodBoy amazingly connected my rambling description not only with the chair by Ressel but with a picture. See the link below. My question is this: Can anyone tell me about Sigurd Ressel and about any other items that he designed? Also, around when did he design the Falcon chair. To reiterate from my prior post, the amazing thing about this chair is how he manages to get lumbar support out of hammock style design. Quite remarkable. Designers of chairs should study this design IMHO. Its much more sophisticated than it looks. Any links to Ressel's other work would be much appreciated.
	The line given	1 Relevance	14 years ago	Buck Rogers	General discussion
	The line given Pardon me. You mean that story that we were given - if from some fellow walked up to you in a shop and told you that - you would swallow it? Sort of like letting the boss say whatever he likes and smile along. It isn't like we were told a tale about "I purchased from a person who purchased it from a person who stated he had his mother's friends from HM give the chair..." According to the story as told, the person asking the attribution has had direct contact with the family in possession of the chair and they have direct contact with the people in question. But people who know they have Ray and Charles Eames Prototypes are always selling them to anyone at an Estate Sale, this is a common thing of course.
	I just got mine!	1 Relevance	18 years ago	Riki	General discussion
	I just got mine! I love you, ebay. I love you, "Buy It Now". I love you, Charles Eames. It's ivory and walnut, practically new, (2001) and soooo beautiful. $2499 USD, near mint condition, slight creasing and wear to the leather, which is a good thing. Lawd, I'm exhausted. I know, I know, you are all saying, "Wait a second. Isn't this the chick who wouldn't pay 3 or 4 grand for a chair, ever, under any circumstances?" I confess, I have been secretly coveting one for months now and I made that statement in the earliest days of my obsession. I take it all back. Some chairs are just worth that much money. Plus, I have been looking at the Vitra ones over in Switzerland and they are, like, 5000 Euros. So, mine is a bargain, right? Here is a picture of my new chair and ottoman and if anyone says anything bad, I swear, I will slit my wrists.
	Advice. Herman Miller Padded Shell Chair.	1 Relevance	12 years ago	Rogue01	General discussion
	Hey folks. I have an opportunity to purchase the chair linked below and need some advice about what to look for to determine it's overall "value". It's being offered for sale at about $80 and is marked Herman Miller both on the fiberglass and with a sticker. In my haste earlier today, I didn't take any photos of the underside of the chair as it wasn't the only thing I was distracted by at the time. If you're unable to see clearly, the seams are splitting along either side of the interior of the seat. Padding seems to be in good enough shape, however. Given the price, and recognition that some upholstery work would be required, would you still consider the chair a good value and worth purchasing? Is there anything I should be looking for in particular to make my evaluation easier? Thank you all so much. I love the chair and would love to have one. http://www.flickr.com/photos/120728763@N05/14562219985/
	I agree with LuciferSum	1 Relevance	18 years ago	Riki	General discussion
	I agree with LuciferSum Calling that leg Queen Anne is an insult. It's too insubstantial, the feet are too dainty and it's got that weird notch in the "shin" between the knee and the foot. It actually might have been kind of quirky as a piece of art or a one-off to do an Eames shell on real cabriole legs. What Modernica has done makes a mockery of both the Eames shell chair and the Queen Anne legacy. On a complete other note, I can't get beyond that bizarre furniture that dcwilson posted. That stuff has neither form nor function. I've been asking myself just how many times I would tolerate catching the bottom of my wine glass under that weird cantilevered lip of the coffee table before I gave the thing to Good Will.
	The initial	1 Relevance	19 years ago	SDR	General discussion
	The initial criticism of the Eames lounge points to the odd irregularity of thickness of the parts of the base. This is explained by the structural loads on that element. The outrigger legs want to bend upward when weight is applied to the lounge, so the horizontal of the leg thickens as it approaches the vertical post to counteract that. Then, to keep the two pairs of legs from simply spreading apart under load, a long tie is placed to connect the two ends to each other. And because that tie rod is entirely under tension, it could be as slender as a cable, which explains why Eames returns to the thinner dimension of the other parts of the base. Logical, and thus elegant -- when you understand it. Trust your local architect to do the right thing, with a chosen form. . .