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28-Sep-05 |
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saarinen tulip dining table
I have noticed a reference to a glass top/stainless steel base saarinen styled dining table...can anyone tell me if they exist and if so where I could find one? If not does anyone know a good source for saarinen bases without the tops?
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28-Sep-05 |
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28-Sep-05 |
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Parting things out from Knoll..
can be almost as expensive as buying the complete table... I know, I just went through this... These tables are manufactured in and shipped from Italy... The laminate (if that's what you opt for) on the top is fabulous... Like none other and has a wonderful soft texture (like corian)... Not familiar with a Saarinen "type" table in stainless or chrome with a glass top... In my opinion all "look alike" tulip tables are not as refined or graceful as the Knoll product... they all fall into that "just missed" category...
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28-Sep-05 |
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thanks
Skip, found what I was looking for, but thanks for the advice.
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05-Oct-05 |
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i have the table
I have this table just made a new post about it chekc it out it is title I have what your looking for
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17-Oct-05 |
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glass top w/chrome base
i have a black, oval, glass top saarinen table with the chrome base. As to where to get one, I have no clue. Mine was my grandparents. I am actually having a hard time finding them, also. I was looking to get it appraised.
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posted by
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17-Oct-05 |
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To my knowledge Saarinen/Knoll never did the tulip base in anything but white....
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17-Oct-05 |
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I have a small black base/black marble, and an older almond base with a small oval walnut? top. Both with Knoll labels.
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posted by
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17-Oct-05 |
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I said I have never seen it in person or in reference. I have an extensive collection of current and vintage books,magazines,trade publications, exhibit catalogues, etc along with 30 plus years in the "modern business"and I have never seen one in any of the above mentioned contexts.I have seen a few( real Knoll with intact stickers) that have been painted, black, being the most often seen color.I have seen the white coating stripped off as well this may be what so called the "chrome" ones are?
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17-Oct-05 |
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I am not saying its not possible but the Tulip group seems to attract tampering,not to mention the hordes of bad copies...
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17-Oct-05 |
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posted by
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17-Oct-05 |
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The almond color on my small...
The almond color on my small side table could actually be a white finish that has darkened from cigs or salt air, or a leaking poodle, or something. It does appear to be factory paint, however. The Palm Beach dealer who sold it to me said that the wood top oval side tables were made between 1974/1977. The black table came from KnollStudio about 5 years ago.
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posted by
Mark
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08-Aug-06 |
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formaldehyde in laminate Tulip table?
I'm trying to decide which Tulip table to buy. The laminate sounds nice, and is what I've always wanted, but I worry about buying new things with formaldehyde, as I've started getting migraines, and I've read it takes a long time for formaldehyde to outgas. They only use a little to make the Tulip laminate, Knoll tells me. Has anyone bought a laminate table recently? Does the formaldehyde smell linger? Thanks.
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posted by
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10-Aug-06 |
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why not...
marble..if you have doubts on poisonous products in your tulip table.. why not marble, sure it looks more expensive but it's safer and it looks so much more better than laminate.. just my opinion
I know when I get a tulip table I wont even waste time with laminate. The only thing I will have trouble deciding is between the 42 and 47 inch.
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posted by
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10-Aug-06 |
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Genuine Knoll Colors
From the Knoll design archivist: The tulip tables were originally in three colors; black, white and putty (what is sometimes called almond or clay and often incorrectly attributed to age discoloring of the white). When manufacturing ended in the US in the 80's so did putty.
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posted by
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10-Aug-06 |
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Marble...that's a thought
And the 47-48" marble table at Room & Board is a lot less expensive than the Knoll version, partly because R&B's doesn't have the protective coating. Apparently they're made at two different places in Italy. Where I live, there's nowhere to look at the two in person, but I'll be visiting a place next month where I can do so. Maybe I'll even go to NY for the day, hit Room & Board, Knoll.
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posted by
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11-Aug-06 |
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I've had my new 47" Knoll Saainen for over a year now...
White base with white lam top... Have never noticed any smell from the top... The laminate is an Italian product and Knoll won't tell you what it is or where they get it... It has a great smooth texture similar to Corian and is unlike any laminate I've ever seen or felt... Curious about what R&B uses... Look at both, if you get a chance and let us know what you think...
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posted by
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11-Aug-06 |
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R&B sells marble top only
no laminate, just unsealed marble, white or black. And since I love making tomato sauces, I'm a little leery about the unsealed marble. Plus I've always pictured the Tulip Table with the white laminate top. Not to say I wouldn't like a marble top...
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posted by
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11-Aug-06 |
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posted by
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11-Aug-06 |
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I don't know
I have no idea how well the laminate cleans up, but I have a freind who put a Glass top on her Tulip Table to protect it from her toddler (toy cars, scratches, etc.). You might want to consider that if you like to cook. You can always take it off when company comes. It's a good way to protect and preserve your investment.
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posted by
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11-Aug-06 |
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Cleaning directions from Knoll
are the same as for any plastic laminate... If there is a tough stain they say you can use soft scrub to lift the stain... I use Windex to clean the top... No problems with red wine, tomato or ink stains... I'm careful with the top but so far it seems to be pretty bulletproof... I'm smitten with the feel of the laminate...
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posted by
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11-Aug-06 |
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12-Aug-06 |
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I 'm an Interior Designer...
I bought it directly through my Knoll Rep and the Knoll showroom... If you want a new one, there are some places that offer discounts to the public like Highbrow... I think DWR offers it at full retail.. There are also Knoll dealers in most larger cities that might offer you "a deal"... The tables are pricey but look at it as an investment for life...
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posted by
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12-Aug-06 |
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Mid-Century Modern
I'll probably get mine at mid-century-modern.com. Same price as everyone else, no tax, free shipping. And he seems like a nice guy in e-mails.
I'm going to paint the LR/DR a warm version of either eggplant or pale aqua. If aqua, which I'm leaning towards, then bright white trim. I have light chartreuse dinnerware and teal-handled bistro flatware.
I haven't decided whether to get Eames Eiffel chairs, or to have my Emeco Navy chairs recovered. I want to get the table first, then get one chair recovered, and see how I like them together, and decide from there.
I'm leaning towards the aqua for paint, as purple might lead to orange for things like chairs or chair seats, and I hate orange.
http://mid-century-modern.com/detail.php?prod_id=160&origin=6
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posted by
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12-Aug-06 |
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Jay, that's a great price...
I paid a little less with a professional "trade discount" but not that much less... I like the aqua scheme you mention especially with your accents in tableware... My living-dining area paint colors are white, med gray, charcoal gray and red... I too have issues with orange so you're not alone on that one... I have 4 Knoll Bertoia (purple seat pads) and 4 Mandarin chairs (charcoal fabric) that I flip back and forth as dining chairs... I fell you'll love the Saarinen table... It's hard for me to think of a better dining table solution...
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posted by
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13-Aug-06 |
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I have loved the Tulip table since the 80s...
...before then, really, but the 80s is when I started buying furniture. At that time, though, I thought Saarinen's Tulip furniture was something you could only get used ("vintage"), and I saw them so infrequently, and they were expensive, at least, for me at that time.
Last year, a friend who knew I liked mid-century asked me to help her find things for her new apartment in NY, and I found out just how much is available now thanks to the internet. I had no idea.
I never had enough interest in design to pursue it as a career (plus I can't draw), though if I were younger, I might choose to do so today.
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posted by
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13-Aug-06 |
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Love the Bertoia chairs, Skip.
I had a roommate in NY who had a bird chair. It was his first grown-up purchase. I loved it, and he would always find me sitting in it when he came home. Finally, I bought one of my own. We were like Joey and Chandler on Friends, only with style.
And I love purple. Those must look good with the Tulip table.
I'm going to have to look up Mandarin chairs.
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posted by
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13-Aug-06 |
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Mandarin chairs from Knoll are now discontinued...
They were designed by Sottsass... I've always admired his work... The chairs need to be reupholstered as the cat has left her mark in shredding the inside of the back... Thinking of reupholstering then in white leather and having the arms repainted in silver metallic... Still on my "to do" list... I really like the bird chair, too... That along with the womb chair are two of my favorite lounge chairs...
http://www.architonic.com/1005751
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posted by
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13-Aug-06 |
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Ah, cats...
I had a house, and I had a cat. And then I got a roommate. Before he moved in, I warned him I wasn't going to be held responsible for my cat's actions towards his furniture (I guess I didn't want him to move in quite as much as he wanted to move in). Somehow, my cat picked up on this, and over the course of a year or so, had her way with the ends of the guy's sofa. She really dug that nubby texture. Claw city.
Anyway, the womb chair is something to think about. It looks more substantial than the bird chair, esp. since I've gained a pound or two over the years.
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14-Aug-06 |
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Saarinen Bases and Top
Knoll Saarinen bases are heavy cast aluminum strap-polished and coated in tough, abrasion-resistant rislan finish in black and white. At one time an off white cream color was available. Over the years tops have been available in a varity of laminates, wood veneers, marbles and granit. Glass was never an option.
http://www.knoll.com
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15-Aug-06 |
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Chair to go with.......
The tulip dining table?
Panton S Chairs? Bertoia Wire Chairs? Tom Vac Chairs? Eames Eiffel Chairs?
I can't make a decision
Who knows best? Any thoughts on it?
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15-Aug-06 |
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Bertoia wire chairs
Bertoia wire chairs look great with a Tulip table as they don't obscure the shape of the table base. The height of the chair back also seems to work very well with the height of the table. I'd avoid the Panton chairs, they would obscure the shape of the table base and in my opinion would look rather heavy...
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15-Aug-06 |
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Great Chair
I had a similar delimma and I chose the Bellini Chair by Heller. It's quite comfortable and doesn't take anything away from my table. If you have a DWR Showroom in your area go down and try all the chairs out. There were chairs I thought would be excellent with my table but turned out to be uncomfortable to sit in.
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15-Aug-06 |
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chair-e-it
I thought about the bertoia chairs and I agree, but I and having a tough time selling my girlfriend on those chairs because thinks the wire makes the chair looks too uncomfortable.
I tell her they sell pads with then but she think those pads might not be enough. I am concern with the base of these chairs scratching the base of the tulip table.
As for Panton, HM makes a crappy looking orange-red. So a am pretty much turned off them. But my girl thinks we should hold out until they come out with the Ltd edition Tomato Red.
The bellini chair just do not look right for that table. In my opinion th right angles of that chair create unnecessary tension for the two of them.
How about the Tom Vac Chairs? or the Eames Eiffel Chairs?
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15-Aug-06 |
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She may have a point......
The first chair I sat in at DWR was the Bertoia and I was uncomfortable. Design is relative. I'm rather petite and the chair didn't conform well to me physically. However my second choice was the Eames Eiffel Side Chair.
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posted by
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posted by
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16-Aug-06 |
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yet another chair suggestion...
There are so many options that would work nice with this table. Like the suggestion of Eames alu group chairs (a bit pricy though if you are buying a set of 4 or 6). Panton chairs could also work. As would Eames fibreglass shell chairs.
Also quite like azurechickens suggestion of using modern classic wood chairs:
An option along that same line is the Robin Day 675 chair, which Habitat is currently reproducing. It has a very pretty line, is not massive looking, made out of nice material & sits very comfortable. Oh yes, and it is still affordable. And the seat height (47 cm) is perfect for a normal standard height table.
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http://www.findaproperty.com/DisplayStory.aspx?edid=00&sale0...
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posted by
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16-Aug-06 |
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seating comfort (no Bertoia)
:oD indeed, one of the first priorities for a chair is to be able to sit in it comfortably.
both your girl and DLD have said it very well: that chair is very nice- looking but not very comfortable. To my knowledge the most similar looking chair that still has seating some comfort to offer is the Eames DKR with full bikini padding. I the look with nice white or natural brown tan leather pads. Should be tested whether the pads are thick enough to sit on comfortably for longer streches of time though.
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posted by
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16-Aug-06 |
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comfort has its price
Well hopefully the DWR here in town has the bertoia chairs so that I can try them out. I agree with comfort is priority but i find it equal to style.
I love the alumunum group chairs and I plan on getting one with casters for the office, but as for dining chairs without the casters, they are too expensive for dining chairs and my girlfriend would never go for it with the style.
As for the Eiffel Chairs, why go with the side style rather than the arm style?
I have tried the arm chairs at Red Rock Station at the Rocks Lounge they have replaced their clunky club chairs with the arm Eiffel chairs and they was amazingly comfortable, and they seem right for the price. However I am a little uneasy about the complexity of the Eiffel mechanical-like wire construction, and how it would might distract from the simplicity of the organic-like formed pedestal base of the table.
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17-Aug-06 |
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I have Bertoias around my table at the moment...
I agree they are not the most comfortable chairs... Seat pad helps and full upholstery makes them even better but then you miss out on the transparent quality... There's a Saarinen table and white leather Eames Aluminum Group chairs in the latest Interior Design magazine that look absolutely fabulous... Show doubting girlfriends the picture... It's a residential application that is very smart... This would be a very comfortable solution, too... Timelessness at a price... Isn't that always the story?
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17-Aug-06 |
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wooden chairs?
Another option is something that contrasts with the table - for a while I had a set of teak Hans Brattrud slat chairs (with low back) around my tulip table and they looked great. The white of the table really emphasised the beautiful grain of the chairs. They also seemed to slot into the curve of the table nicely, didn't obstruct the shape of the table base and were also very comfortable...oh why did i ever sell them!
http://www.lecon.jp/shop/archives/2005/12/images/1137076980g...
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Mandarin Chairs
I have 2 Mandarin Chairs, a friend at a showroom I used for my business talked me into purchasing when they were changing out their floor. They are armless and covered in a stretchy wool fabric, the original they were in, and I am sure I can track through Knoll. I have had them probably 20 years, any idea what they are now worth?
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10-Jul-09 |
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Did anyone find or know where to find a tulip base?
I'm having a custom top made so that it is configurable for our bay window. I've called Knoll & DWR and they don't sell the bases separately. Anyone have any ideas or places you could point me too? thanks!
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